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Old March 23rd, 2012, 08:29 AM   #1
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Wondering if it would be a good thoing to trailer my jeep on a trailer without bakes, obviously i know it will help to have them but i found a killer deal on a trailer but it isnt equipped with brakes, i would be doing long hauls (4-6 hours) on occasions.
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 08:40 AM   #2
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no way in hell i would tow with out brakes agian, it sucks. i have done it before. Yeah sure its fine when your just normal driving but the minute your in a panic situation the trailer is going to push you all over the place.
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agree witht he hoser, trailer brakes are so nice when you start getting up over the 3-4k mark
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Ok thanks guys thats all i needed to hear, any idea what it might take to put brakes on atleast one axle or is it not worth screwing with.
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No idea myself, I imagine for a few hundred bucks you could be up and running.

Even towing my boat which is pretty light in comparison, behind an F350, it's very nice having trailer brakes when towing in traffic.

Luckily I haven't spent much time in a panic situation, but it's nice to be able to stop as quickly with a trailer as without....
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I've done some cross town stuff without my brake controller hooked up, and it sucked. That's pulling a wrangler with a 3/4-ton truck on a 7000lb trailer.

If it's a screaming deal, then you could use some of the savings to upgrade the axles to have trailer brakes. Unless it's some oddball axles under the trailer, then I'd run like hell anyway since oddball crap seems to always cost more in the long run.

If it's the run of the mill 7000lb trailer, then you should be able to bolt on some brake backing plates and integrated hub & drums. Then add on the breakaway kit and some wiring for it all. Likely have about $450 into it to do brakes on both axles.

http://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Brak...er/23-468.html
http://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Hubs.../84546UC3.html
http://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Brea...ins/20099.html
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Try looking here as well.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...trailer-brakes
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...xles+axle-kits
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Yeah, as they said, normal situation, easy driving, its OK, but hard stops suck.

I have never looked at the laws on the books for Ohio, but a tandem trailer with a Jeep on it requires brakes on all 4 tires, per Michigan law.
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If your axle has the plate with the 4 holes in it behind the hub you can put them on yourself. New backing plate and hubs, and wiring. 200 in parts and a couple hours time.
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Ditto on all the above. And as Johnny said, stay away from oddball stuff. Especially Mobile Home axles. They have a high capacity but are designed for that once across the state move before it gets set up on blocks. Parts are scarce.
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TSC has them as well $160 to do one axle
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Thanks for all the help guys, since its not a super huge deal im just gonnas ppass on it and save a few more bucks to get an actual car hauler.
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TSC has them as well $160 to do one axle
TSC brakes are fucking junk we put them on and they were shit in a yr. Ebay usually has good deal on Dexter kits. I picked up a pair of loaded backing plates with drums from ebay when I redid my dads trailer for the same price as i paid for JUST backing plates from TSC..
PS you need brakes on all wheels !
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Towing without brakes sucks.
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no seems to have pointed out the most obvious source for brakes.....your local trailer sales, support your local small business!!!!!!! That's all, everyone else already gave sound advise on the rest.
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I have never looked at the laws on the books for Ohio, but a tandem trailer with a Jeep on it requires brakes on all 4 tires, per Michigan law.


I have never had a trailer with breaks. My father has a(non tandem) 4 axle car hauler that we have hauled full sized trucks on with no problem. The thing gives little to no tongue weight letting you tow a car with a explorer if you wanted. A lot of that is how you load it also.
You simply need to respect the fact that it will take longer to stop and look ahead. Most idiots today tow something like they are driving without the trailer. When you are 60 feet off of someones bumper going 55 you can not stop in time. Trailer breaks will save your stupid butt in that case. Stay out of that situation and you will be fine. Another aspect is trailer design. If you only have 2 wheels breaking because the front are practically off the ground you will need trailer breaks.

I say all this but I do plan on adapting trailer breaks for my tow rig. The largest part of that though is that I don't want to replace the trucks breaks every 10k. The axles on my fathers trailer are oddballs at like 30ish" long each. Otherwise we would have converted by now. We use it for short runs of less then 100 miles for the most part.

The biggest concern with towing without trailer breaks(or flat towing) is the fact that the trailer will try to push you. I would rather have a three axle trailer with breaks on each wheel and drums on the truck letting the trailer pull the truck then only six piston breaks on the truck. The trailer wandering under heavy breaking requiring you to let off then reapply to stop before hitting that deer kind of deal is no fun.
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I have never had a trailer with breaks. My father has a(non tandem) 4 axle car hauler that we have hauled full sized trucks on with no problem. The thing gives little to no tongue weight letting you tow a car with a explorer if you wanted. A lot of that is how you load it also.
You simply need to respect the fact that it will take longer to stop and look ahead. Most idiots today tow something like they are driving without the trailer. When you are 60 feet off of someones bumper going 55 you can not stop in time. Trailer breaks will save your stupid butt in that case. Stay out of that situation and you will be fine. Another aspect is trailer design. If you only have 2 wheels breaking because the front are practically off the ground you will need trailer breaks.

I say all this but I do plan on adapting trailer breaks for my tow rig. The largest part of that though is that I don't want to replace the trucks breaks every 10k. The axles on my fathers trailer are oddballs at like 30ish" long each. Otherwise we would have converted by now. We use it for short runs of less then 100 miles for the most part.

The biggest concern with towing without trailer breaks(or flat towing) is the fact that the trailer will try to push you. I would rather have a three axle trailer with breaks on each wheel and drums on the truck letting the trailer pull the truck then only six piston breaks on the truck. The trailer wandering under heavy breaking requiring you to let off then reapply to stop before hitting that deer kind of deal is no fun.
What exactly are you blah-blah-blahing about?

Michigan law requires it on 2 or more axle trailers on michigan, with any kind of load on it (except campers, since that'd dampen the tourism industry).

Based on some of your other crackpot posts, like suspension seats, it seems you care about legality and safety.


As everyone said, can you pull a 6000lb flatbed without brakes? Yes, it works fine in normal conditions. But way to often, not-so-normal conditions happen. Rain, snow, ice, deer, bad drivers, etc.

The time I was most happy to have them, was once when a guy cut in front of me, then braked hard. Stomped on the brakes, and the hard line blew in the truck. I was able to limp 10 miles back to home with just the trailer brakes stopping the whole thing.
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Ok thanks guys thats all i needed to hear, any idea what it might take to put brakes on atleast one axle or is it not worth screwing with.
Its not difficult if you can weld. I did it by installing the drum, which houses the bearings and what not with the backing plate (which contains the shoes and hardware) loose behind it. Then I located the backing plate by getting the shoes aligned in the drum and then turning the adjuster so the brakes were tight in the drum. Then weld the plate to the axle. My axles did not have the mounting plate welded on though. Check to see if the one you are looking at has the plate mentioned above. If it does, its even easier.

If the price is right on the trailer you are looking at, adding brakes may be an option.
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I have never had a trailer with breaks. My father has a(non tandem) 4 axle car hauler that we have hauled full sized trucks on with no problem. The thing gives little to no tongue weight letting you tow a car with a explorer if you wanted. A lot of that is how you load it also.
You simply need to respect the fact that it will take longer to stop and look ahead. Most idiots today tow something like they are driving without the trailer. When you are 60 feet off of someones bumper going 55 you can not stop in time. Trailer breaks will save your stupid butt in that case. Stay out of that situation and you will be fine. Another aspect is trailer design. If you only have 2 wheels breaking because the front are practically off the ground you will need trailer breaks.

I say all this but I do plan on adapting trailer breaks for my tow rig. The largest part of that though is that I don't want to replace the trucks breaks every 10k. The axles on my fathers trailer are oddballs at like 30ish" long each. Otherwise we would have converted by now. We use it for short runs of less then 100 miles for the most part.

The biggest concern with towing without trailer breaks(or flat towing) is the fact that the trailer will try to push you. I would rather have a three axle trailer with breaks on each wheel and drums on the truck letting the trailer pull the truck then only six piston breaks on the truck. The trailer wandering under heavy breaking requiring you to let off then reapply to stop before hitting that deer kind of deal is no fun.
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I have never had a trailer with breaks. My father has a(non tandem) 4 axle car hauler that we have hauled full sized trucks on with no problem. The thing gives little to no tongue weight letting you tow a car with a explorer if you wanted. A lot of that is how you load it also.
You simply need to respect the fact that it will take longer to stop and look ahead. Most idiots today tow something like they are driving without the trailer. When you are 60 feet off of someones bumper going 55 you can not stop in time. Trailer breaks will save your stupid butt in that case. Stay out of that situation and you will be fine. Another aspect is trailer design. If you only have 2 wheels breaking because the front are practically off the ground you will need trailer breaks.

I say all this but I do plan on adapting trailer breaks for my tow rig. The largest part of that though is that I don't want to replace the trucks breaks every 10k. The axles on my fathers trailer are oddballs at like 30ish" long each. Otherwise we would have converted by now. We use it for short runs of less then 100 miles for the most part.

The biggest concern with towing without trailer breaks(or flat towing) is the fact that the trailer will try to push you. I would rather have a three axle trailer with breaks on each wheel and drums on the truck letting the trailer pull the truck then only six piston breaks on the truck. The trailer wandering under heavy breaking requiring you to let off then reapply to stop before hitting that deer kind of deal is no fun.
You should probably just stop posting, you're well on your way for a retard badge.

Nothing is nicer then having a gooseneck with 2 or 3 rigs on it, and trailer brakes and still having the ability to stop as well as when your truck is unloaded.

Keeping in mind your trailer doesn't have brakes is all fine and dandy cruising through town at 25 mph to drag your sister mom's mobile home to the new trailer park behind the walmarts gas station, but keeping in mind you don't have trailer brakes when some douchenozzle pulls out in front of you on a rural road as your traveling 55 mph with no where to go and then decides to make a left turn with traffic coming doesn't work so well.

Step away from the keyboard stupid, you're making it really easy to see how inbred you are.
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