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Old July 15th, 2012, 06:00 PM   #81
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I'm curious why you think a CDL license makes you any better of a driver?
No 20 minute drivers test is going to qualify you any more or less than miles behind the wheel.

A missle is a missle. Whether is 3,000lbs or 30,000 lbs. You're dead just the same.

CDL's are done for a reason, The temptation when you are driving for $$ is greater to stretch driving times and miles. That's why commerce is regulated. Otherwise we'd have people running Red Bull IV's to get the most out of every day. Plain and simple, a % of OTR haulers make their money based on their load count and miles.
I would venture to say I am more careful than most when I'm driving because I DO know I'm big. I also lay back and never get into a position where my safety could be compromised. Something I can't say I see all OTR drivers doing.

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Im curious if you have a CDL or have ever tried for one.. Im in the middle of getting mine for work (no i wont be driving for a living but some of the trucks at work require a B to drive..) the Manual you get to study has a shit ton more info than your normal operators.. info from loading to shifting, pre trip inspection some basic info about the systems.. info someone should know before even turning the key on a big rig.
your 3 to 30 comment is the biggest pile of steaming dung ive ever seen.. you mean to tell me a 3klb truck traveling at 70 mph is going to as much damage to a mini van full of kids as a 30k lbs truck traveling 65mph? Come on man you're older and wiser than that !! Oh and PS that test is a lot more than 20min !! hell you probably couldn't get through the pre trip in less than 30.
and congrats on being a safe driver.. Honestly I applaud you for that, im glad to see someone taking their time and keeping their head on straight but unfortunately just like these knuckleheads in the off road world there's a 1% of operators that have their head on straight... So congrats on being in the 1% operators!
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Old July 15th, 2012, 07:12 PM   #82
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Each states requirements are set by the states. For instance some states just towing a trailer requires you to use the right lane only. Some states the speed limit sign says vehicles with trailers speed limit XX. Truck or not.
Some the speed limit is set by weight. I've seen it as low as 10,000 and most around 26,000.
Some stipulate ALL vehicle over 26,000 must enter weigh stations and some say commercial vehicles. Some say all but exclude Motorhomes or RV's.
Wanting to run 70 in any and all states is probably asking for it.

I did stumble on this new law for Michigan:

257.721

(5) (b) The total length of the pickup truck, semitrailer designed for recreational living purposes, and additional trailer or semitrailer, and load, shall not exceed 75 feet on any highways in this state.

This was just passed on April 2012.

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Im curious if you have a CDL or have ever tried for one.. Im in the middle of getting mine for work (no i wont be driving for a living but some of the trucks at work require a B to drive..) the Manual you get to study has a shit ton more info than your normal operators.. info from loading to shifting, pre trip inspection some basic info about the systems.. info someone should know before even turning the key on a big rig.
your 3 to 30 comment is the biggest pile of steaming dung ive ever seen.. you mean to tell me a 3klb truck traveling at 70 mph is going to as much damage to a mini van full of kids as a 30k lbs truck traveling 65mph? Come on man you're older and wiser than that !! Oh and PS that test is a lot more than 20min !! hell you probably couldn't get through the pre trip in less than 30.
and congrats on being a safe driver.. Honestly I applaud you for that, im glad to see someone taking their time and keeping their head on straight but unfortunately just like these knuckleheads in the off road world there's a 1% of operators that have their head on straight... So congrats on being in the 1% operators!
What you failed to actually read was I said you were dead just the same. Not that it did more or less damage.

And NO I have no intention of getting my CDL, There is NO need for it at this time. If you didn't own a motorcycle would you still get your motorcycle endorsement?

Ok fine then a 1 hour test drive if you will. I wasn't taking into account pre-trip insp. I just don't see the coorelation between a CDL license and knowing how to drive. Taken at face value you're telling me that if someone has a CDL they're a better driver then someone without. If that was the case EVERY OTR driver out there would be the best driver in the country............and we know that ain't true!

As far as educating drivers to be better securing loads. I've seen to many people in our own hobby that haul stuff and tie stuff down improperly and should know better but they don't. I doubt that taking a class makes them automatically better drivers.

I drive one type of vehicle and haul one trailer. If I was involved in commercial aspect of hauling I would certainally go get my CDL.
If the OTR or Commercial Trucking industry created a class for Larger Motorhome or RV's I would certainly take it. The problem with CDL licensing is that is does NOT consider RV's and RV drivers. I've looked into it when I purchased my rig.

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Old July 15th, 2012, 08:18 PM   #83
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Just get a CDL B (A if its pulling a trailer) and be on the safe side.. IMO any vehicle over 26k should require a CDL RV or not its still a fucking semi tooling down the road and many people drive these things that have no business behind the wheel of an 13k lb missile !
I fail to see the part where I said it made you a better driver ? but ok obviously the wise old man is right and young dumb kid is wrong you win.
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Safe from what? No one is doing anything wrong.

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.. IMO any vehicle over 26k should require a CDL RV
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or not its still a fucking semi tooling down the road and many people drive these things that have no business behind the wheel of an 13k lb missile !
So if I get a CDL License I'm 'qualified' to drive you of these '13k lb missles'?
Because those with a CDL license are somehow 'more' qualified? That's what I get out of that statement.
How does getting a CDL license teach me to be a better driver. You're either a good driver or you're not.
Same with the air brake endorsement.
Air brakes -vs- conventional hydraulic brakes have less differences than driving a vehicle with a manual transmission -vs- an automatic. Yet the secretary of state does not descern a different license or special endorsement for driving a manual. My operators license qualifies me to drive either. BTW, that's not the case in Europe.


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I fail to see the part where I said it made you a better driver ?
Maybe not a better driver but because I got my CDL license somehow I've 'paid' my dues to to almighty 'truck gods' to be able to drive one of these 13k lb missles?
Believe me, I hear this all the time. I've been at one or two truck stops and been confronted.

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I didn't call you dumb. I've never met you. (at least I don't think I have) So right now I have no opinion. The point you've failed to make is WHY a person should get a CDL license to drive a RV when in fact there is NO requirement in the state of Michigan to do so.
This discussion is nothing new on the HDT (Heavy Duty Truck) and Class 8 Toterhome discussion boards I'm on. It gets so heated that most threads get locked down.
The one underlying trojan horse with getting a CDL is that any fault in an 'iffy' situation that 'could' be assessed in an incident due to 'who should know better' is likely land in your lap as a 'professional driver'. There's also the lower BAC that comes with the CDL but if you knew me you would know how funny that one is.
I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I just don't see the point in getting something that has absolutely no benefit to me.
As I said, if a company DID put a course together for large class 8 trucks and busses I would be the first to sign up. To date none of them are interested, I've asked.
Show me where a CDL license benefits me.

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Safe from what? No one is doing anything wrong.



Why?



So if I get a CDL License I'm 'qualified' to drive you of these '13k lb missles'?
Because those with a CDL license are somehow 'more' qualified? That's what I get out of that statement.
How does getting a CDL license teach me to be a better driver. You're either a good driver or you're not.
Same with the air brake endorsement.
Air brakes -vs- conventional hydraulic brakes have less differences than driving a vehicle with a manual transmission -vs- an automatic. Yet the secretary of state does not descern a different license or special endorsement for driving a manual. My operators license qualifies me to drive either. BTW, that's not the case in Europe.



Maybe not a better driver but because I got my CDL license somehow I've 'paid' my dues to to almighty 'truck gods' to be able to drive one of these 13k lb missles?
Believe me, I hear this all the time. I've been at one or two truck stops and been confronted.


old, yep. Me and WR, but he's actually WAY Better looking!



I didn't call you dumb. I've never met you. (at least I don't think I have) So right now I have no opinion. The point you've failed to make is WHY a person should get a CDL license to drive a RV when in fact there is NO requirement in the state of Michigan to do so.
This discussion is nothing new on the HDT (Heavy Duty Truck) and Class 8 Toterhome discussion boards I'm on. It gets so heated that most threads get locked down.
The one underlying trojan horse with getting a CDL is that any fault in an 'iffy' situation that 'could' be assessed in an incident due to 'who should know better' is likely land in your lap as a 'professional driver'. There's also the lower BAC that comes with the CDL but if you knew me you would know how funny that one is.
I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I just don't see the point in getting something that has absolutely no benefit to me.
As I said, if a company DID put a course together for large class 8 trucks and busses I would be the first to sign up. To date none of them are interested, I've asked.
Show me where a CDL license benefits me.

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And as far as the topic of the discussion, I see way more OTR rigs flying down the road and cutting people off than RV's. RV guys are always willing to flash their lights or slow down to let you in, OTR guys refuse to do it for RV's which seems totally STUPID to me since it is still a courtesy for a long rig to let them know they aren't going to clip your corner.

I've been running right at that 26,000# number for about 7 years now and never a problem. I respect the weight of my rig far more than some of the "professional" CDL drivers that will ride someone's ass while carrying damn near double what I weigh in at.

Would a CDL class teach me something? Probably
Would it make me more cautious? Nope
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thanks for all the good info jim-kb8ymf. mine gets some decent mileage running 60 to 65 so i am not going to push over that speed, there is a couple other guys in our group just buying these rigs or toters.mike r was all set to buy a 80 foot toter and found out it was not legal in mi.because of length. (think he just got a 65 footer) jim gurst has been looking hard and has been really checking into the laws.cory did his a few months ago.so i also had some good info from him.i just wanted to make sure i did all this the correct way so i did not get hassled.since i am going to canada a few times a year now that was my biggest concern was to have all my ducks in row for them.ohio is not real nice to big rigs eather. think i am all set with mine now.i put not for hire on the side but also going to put registerd motorhome on it now. no stickers will go on mine eather after reading all the laws and talking to people.
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thanks for all the good info jim-kb8ymf. mine gets some decent mileage running 60 to 65 so i am not going to push over that speed, there is a couple other guys in our group just buying these rigs or toters.mike r was all set to buy a 80 foot toter and found out it was not legal in mi.because of length. (think he just got a 65 footer) jim gurst has been looking hard and has been really checking into the laws.cory did his a few months ago.so i also had some good info from him.i just wanted to make sure i did all this the correct way so i did not get hassled.since i am going to canada a few times a year now that was my biggest concern was to have all my ducks in row for them.ohio is not real nice to big rigs eather. think i am all set with mine now.i put not for hire on the side but also going to put registerd motorhome on it now. no stickers will go on mine eather after reading all the laws and talking to people.
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mike r was all set to buy a 80 foot toter and found out it was not legal in mi.because of length. (think he just got a 65 footer)
Dam! 80 foot is long. 75 is the new limit for Mi and I'll say that I've seen plenty that were long but never see them get hassled. Class 8 Totors with HUGE enclosed double stackers. I probably wouldn't go there though. I'm right @ 65 now. Plenty long enough.

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That really doesn't mean anything. Just because you don't 'hire' yourself out doesn't mean you aren't involved in some sort of personal business which makes money. That's the 'commerce' part that will get many people in trouble.

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The actual wording in Michigan as you are registered in Michigan is 'Recreational Vehicle'. Those are the words in the law that exclude you from requiring a CDL.

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Probably safer if you put Recreational Vehicle on it.
They have to be a minimum height too. You want the Chicken Coop Motorcarriers enforcers to be able to read it plainly as you zip by their hut @ 60 mph on the side of the road.
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