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Old June 20th, 2012, 08:59 AM   #61
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on the hunt for a expedite truck hard. ellenbaums has the best inventory i have found but i think there prices are kinda hi.hitting craigs list.looking at one today.looking for 300hp+. wanna be able to roll down the road with a trailer if needed.
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so i just got done with the title on my truck.they just changed some laws on this.anything 26000 or over you do have to have a cdl no matter what it is titled as.
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really? that must be new. are big diesel pushers lighter than that?

there are companys that will rent trucks for your test, or you can have another person with a cdl drive your truck to the test facility.

the only problem is the damn inspection. thats a pita. the test is easy.
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so i just got done with the title on my truck.they just changed some laws on this.anything 26000 or over you do have to have a cdl no matter what it is titled as.
what is the law?
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so i just got done with the title on my truck.they just changed some laws on this.anything 26000 or over you do have to have a cdl no matter what it is titled as.
Show me the law. If it's outfitted to comply with RV requirements it's an RV. No CDL or endorsements required. The RV community boards that I hang out never said a peep and believe me if there was a law change like that they would be up in arms.
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hahaha, not the way their treating us. I might have been a few years back but I have to pay off Moby Dick off before I hit the open road!
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so i just got done with the title on my truck.they just changed some laws on this.anything 26000 or over you do have to have a cdl no matter what it is titled as.
What type of plates are on it? Is it considered commercial?
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He is. Right now he's lounging outside his RV in a campground outside the Vegas strip. He emailed me and said he was about to go to the senior's breakfast buffet.
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Old July 13th, 2012, 09:28 AM   #70
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so yesterday it was titled as a van and plated as that.just left the ss as they called me back in this morning.since it was a title as a van(the plates went off the weight of the vehicle) she now switched it to a motorhome and my plate was off the value i paid for it.no weight,(the plate was 47 bucks now) if you do weight it is more for the plate.to do it off the value it depends on the original description on the title(i was able to do it because my title said van) so as i understand it now anybody can drive my rig.but i do have a new book she gave me yesterday that says anything that weighs over 26000 you have to have a cdl to operate. does not matter what it is.she told me her father just bought a new motorhome and had to get a cdl.
i am just going to get the cdl and that way i have no worries.i had one for over 10 years.just didnt renew it after i stopped driving.
seems to still be a gray area on this. i did not have to have it inspected.she gave me a form that i signed saying it had a pooper and a stove, showed her proof of that and that was all they wanted.

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so yesterday it was titled as a van and plated as that.just left the ss as they called me back in this morning.since it was a title as a van(the plates went off the weight of the vehicle) she now switched it to a motorhome and my plate was off the value i paid for it.no weight,(the plate was 47 bucks now) if you do weight it is more for the plate.to do it off the value it depends on the original description on the title(i was able to do it because my title said van) so as i understand it now anybody can drive my rig.but i do have a new book she gave me yesterday that says anything that weighs over 26000 you have to have a cdl to operate. does not matter what it is.she told me her father just bought a new motorhome and had to get a cdl.
i am just going to get the cdl and that way i have no worries.i had one for over 10 years.just didnt renew it after i stopped driving.
seems to still be a gray area on this. i did not have to have it inspected.she gave me a form that i signed saying it had a pooper and a stove, showed her proof of that and that was all they wanted.
Thats weird. My father runs a General RV dealership and he has never said anything about this. Normally he would have mentioned something.
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like i said seems to be a gray area.i have the book so i can tell you it is printed.
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I took my Cdl road test in Ludington ISD, the guy was super cool, talked about hot rods and bikes the whole time, we did the pretrip and the parking lot thing and then a little road test and I was good to go. He was also very helpful when I was getting mine, I do not drive for a living, but wanted it just to say I have it. Since I got it, it has come in handy helping out a few friend. I got a Class A with air brakes, tankers, and doubles....
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yea that is were i took it years ago.i have been doing the license stuff at the ss in hart never as busy as ludington.
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so yesterday it was titled as a van and plated as that.just left the ss as they called me back in this morning.since it was a title as a van(the plates went off the weight of the vehicle) she now switched it to a motorhome and my plate was off the value i paid for it.no weight,(the plate was 47 bucks now) if you do weight it is more for the plate.to do it off the value it depends on the original description on the title(i was able to do it because my title said van) so as i understand it now anybody can drive my rig.but i do have a new book she gave me yesterday that says anything that weighs over 26000 you have to have a cdl to operate.does not matter what it is.she told me her father just bought a new motorhome and had to get a cdl.
i am just going to get the cdl and that way i have no worries.i had one for over 10 years.just didnt renew it after i stopped driving.
seems to still be a gray area on this. i did not have to have it inspected.she gave me a form that i signed saying it had a pooper and a stove, showed her proof of that and that was all they wanted.
Nothing gray about it. It's black and white. If the vehicle is a motorhome driven for personal use you do not need a CDL. No one in their right mind would ever get a CDL just cause. Restrictions are a whole lot tougher. It has also been alluded to that if you have a CDL the LEO or DOT officer can 'potentially' hold you to a higher standard in the event of a mishap. Nothing official but they will presume you should have known better as you are a 'professional'. In this instance I feel it's better to error on the side of the least required, which is diametrically opposed to what I believe but this is my exception.
The commercial CDL book she gave you has NOTHING in it with regards to motorhomes. It's a commercial license manual.
Give me a few minutes and I'll go dig my copy out and cite you the law.
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Here you go:

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(a5j...e=mcl-257-312e

(12) This section does not apply to a person operating a vehicle used exclusively to transport personal possessions or family members for nonbusiness purposes.

They actually made it more lenient. The previous copy of the MCL I have dtd 2007 used to say 'person operating a motorhome or a vehicle' now is says ANY vehicle for personal use. I actually believe this was done to allow for the HDT truck pulling 5th wheel trailers. The vehicle they are driving is NOT exactly a motorhome but is towing one. However the same situation prevails. If the vehicle in NOT commercial or used for commercial purposes you should be able to get by with Motorhome exemption as long as your vehicle qualifies.
However as was mentioned in previous threads here guy/gals with rigs all stickered up and going to an event qualify as commercial. The horse people have been getting dinged by the DOT inspectors in many of our surrounding states.
Not for Hire or Private coach stickers on the door don't cut it in Michigan. You need 'Recreational Vehicle'.

Or you can try the MI. SOS website under exemptions:

http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7...3067--,00.html


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The following people do not need a CDL:

Active Duty Military (including National Guard): With military licenses operating military vehicles.

Police Officers and Firefighters: Meeting approved training standards and operating authorized emergency vehicles.

Farmers: Operating vehicles within a 150 mile radius of their farm.

An F-endorsement is needed by farmers operating combination vehicles whose towing vehicle has a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more. A knowledge test, but no skills test, is required to obtain the F-endorsement.
However, farmers who carry hazardous materials in amounts requiring placarding while operating combination vehicles whose towing vehicle has a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more, or a single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more, need a CDL with a hazardous materials endorsement.


Individuals: Operating motor homes or other vehicles used exclusively to transport personal possessions or family members, for non-business purposes.
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i just read through that book she gave me and it was commercial.had nothing saying a motorhome.i dont think she actually knows what is what. have you ever been pulled over in your toter? do you run truck speed or car speed? this is were i think i will run into issues if i run over 70.mine is a semi w a box so i am sure the dot are not going to like mine titled as a motorhome. i just wanna make sure i have everything 100% legal and not get pulled over in kentucky and get it inpounded because the dot officer says i need a cdl.
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Put a Winnebago decal on the side and you are good to go.
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Just get a CDL B (A if its pulling a trailer) and be on the safe side.. IMO any vehicle over 26k should require a CDL RV or not its still a fucking semi tooling down the road and many people drive these things that have no business behind the wheel of an 13k lb missile !
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i just read through that book she gave me and it was commercial.had nothing saying a motorhome.i dont think she actually knows what is what. have you ever been pulled over in your toter? do you run truck speed or car speed? this is were i think i will run into issues if i run over 70.mine is a semi w a box so i am sure the dot are not going to like mine titled as a motorhome. i just wanna make sure i have everything 100% legal and not get pulled over in kentucky and get it inpounded because the dot officer says i need a cdl.
I've been driving this rig for almost 5 years now and aside from a few funny looks and one time the Canadian OPP did a complete vehicle check on me that took 2 hours. PITA but at least I know what's involved in a complete road side stop now. @ 1000 miles I suspect it would have been tough to find any problems with the set up. HOWEVER, they're not as smart as they think they are. Because I was on the maiden voyage or the rig I hadn't got the break away brakes set up with the battery back up yet. They NEVER even noticed. All they were really concerned about was if I could stop the trailer with my controller. When they got done they gave me a cert saying I passed.

I was also in a rest area one time and the Motor Carrier Enforcement was doing a vehicle check right next to my rig and all the guys did was just look at the Tracker while they were jack jawing with the semi driver as he re-adjusted his air brakes

The only other question came with a Customs Inspector @ the International Bridge, U.S. side. The guy doing the checking said I had to have a CDL and the female officer running the booth upstairs corrected the officer and said, NOPE, when it's an RV they don't need one.

Speed limits I believe are based on weight, not commercial -vs- non-commercial. I'm not sure the weight break but I'll investigate and find out. I'm curious too. I dont' care much because I run 60-62 all the time. 10mpg doing it too.
I've been from Pennsylvania to Virginia to Montana to Texas and Northern Canada and all the states in between and I have NEVER been hassled. That's because I'm legal and I have a car plate.

I have yet to ever pull into a weigh station and have blasted by 100's of them without any issue.

P.S. Your DL requirement is regulated by the state you and your vehicle are licensed in. I'm not sure what happens when you split and the two are different. Kentucky or any other state for that matter can't do anything to you as long as you are legal in your state.

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Just get a CDL B (A if its pulling a trailer) and be on the safe side.. IMO any vehicle over 26k should require a CDL RV or not its still a fucking semi tooling down the road and many people drive these things that have no business behind the wheel of an 13k lb missile !
I'm curious why you think a CDL license makes you any better of a driver?
No 20 minute drivers test is going to qualify you any more or less than miles behind the wheel.

A missle is a missle. Whether is 3,000lbs or 30,000 lbs. You're dead just the same.

CDL's are done for a reason, The temptation when you are driving for $$ is greater to stretch driving times and miles. That's why commerce is regulated. Otherwise we'd have people running Red Bull IV's to get the most out of every day. Plain and simple, a % of OTR haulers make their money based on their load count and miles.
I would venture to say I am more careful than most when I'm driving because I DO know I'm big. I also lay back and never get into a position where my safety could be compromised. Something I can't say I see all OTR drivers doing.

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