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Old April 23rd, 2012, 03:47 PM   #1
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Just finished reading a great book written by Mark Levin called "Ameritopia". It talks about different "great thinkers" throughout history, such as Plato, Thomas More, Thomas Hobbes, and Karl Marx, and to an extent Franklin Roosevelt, who have written about and envisioned Utopian societies where everything they needed was provided to them by their rulers. In exchange, everyone was equal and regulated by the rulers in terms of what they possessed and had to give up pretty much all of their freedoms and liberties for the society to function as designed. It explains how people slowly and unknowingly give up their rights and liberties in exchange for the rulers providing for all their needs, until they finally are under the complete control of the rulers in every aspect of their lives. It shows amazing similarities between the Utopian societies the "great thinkers" envisioned and what has been going on with our government since Roosevelt started Social Security (which Americans did not want any more than they wanted Obamacare) and continues to this day, and gives a scary look at what this country might become if the nanny-state mentality is allowed to continue growing. I highly recommend reading it.
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Social Security is, I think a good thing. As long as working people pay into it. It is a source of income for the retired people to rely on after working and paying into it for all the years they worked.
Obamacare on the other hand.... it is an intrusion on the freedoms of the American people.
I heard today a guy on the radio talking about the Health Care Act pg 50 about Americans being issued a health care card upon being enrolled to this program. The government can and will have access to all your banking information, savings and checking accounts. Taxing 1% per transaction at your banking institution. They call it a user fee but all in all it's a tax. Obamacare is not good for this country.
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Social Security is, I think a good thing. As long as working people pay into it. It is a source of income for the retired people to rely on after working and paying into it for all the years they worked.
Obamacare on the other hand.... it is an intrusion on the freedoms of the American people.
I heard today a guy on the radio talking about the Health Care Act pg 50 about Americans being issued a health care card upon being enrolled to this program. The government can and will have access to all your banking information, savings and checking accounts. Taxing 1% per transaction at your banking institution. They call it a user fee but all in all it's a tax. Obamacare is not good for this country.
That's messed up, do you have a source on this info?
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Look up the definition of "ponzi scheme". Sure sounds an awful lot like Social Security. You pay into it now for the people who are collecting now, and the money you collect when it's your turn is paid for by the people paying into it at that point. If there's any money left by then.
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That's messed up, do you have a source on this info?
OK double checked and the 1% tax was propossed and that is as far as it went. The part about the health care stuff I will look further into that.
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If there wasnt "social security" people would find another way. Its only a good thing now because so many retired and ready to retire have been expecting it. Its just another bird feeder.
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If there wasnt "social security" people would find another way. Its only a good thing now because so many retired and ready to retire have been expecting it. Its just another bird feeder.
I would think that some would look to other ways to save money for retirement but the majority would not and really suffer because of it in thier later years. It is another way for intrusion on the governments part. If only the government did not raid the SS funds to pay for other services and say they would pay it back which did not happen. That is why SS is in trouble because mony is low and not as many people working to replenish the coffers. I do think SS will be a thing of the past, only to be replaced with a general nation wide welfare plan.
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