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Old December 16th, 2005, 12:39 PM   #1
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Fri Dec 16, 2:43 AM ET WASHINGTON (AFP) - The House of Representatives voted to build a wall along the US border with Mexico to stop illegal immigration.

The 260-159 voice vote on an amendment to a bill on illegal immigration "mandates the construction of specific security fencing, including lights and cameras, along the Southwest border for the purposes of gaining operational control of the border.
"Fencing has been designated in sectors that have the highest number of immigrant deaths, instances of drug smuggling and illegal border crossings," because of the large number of would-be immigrants who die in the desert attempting to cross the US border.
The US border with Canada was not forgotten. The bill "includes a requirement for the Secretary of Homeland Security to conduct a study on the use of physical barriers along the Northern border."
The US-Mexico border is 3,200 kilometers (2,000 miles) long.
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Chain link is NOT a wall.
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finally only took about 50 years to long. I don't know why we should have open unchecked border crossing. There is no good that can come from unchecked borders, we have been shooting ourself in the foot for decades.
I am sick of el presidente fox. That guy is a moron. He makes it sounds like we neeeeeeed Mexicans like they are a vital natural resource. Illegals are a drain. I am on my last nerve with regards to the claim they do jobs americans wont do. NOOOO they do jobs americans won't compete with mexicans for. Americans will work the night shift for a subcontractor cleaning company at Wallmart. They just wont do it for $3.75 per hour. The illegals are a price fix that U.S. citizens should not have to compete with. I dont even like using that word, its not even competeing its just plain BS. I am all for free enterprize i am all for LEGAL immigration. The current situation is just pathetic though. If i see one more activist on TV calling this racist, or zenophobic i don't know what i am gonna do. Probably yell at the tv and loose my mind. After you illegally sneak in you should be striped of any potential to ever become a legal citizen. If you sneak in more than twice we should get to torture you or make you slave labor or something terrible.
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Why the hell should a company have to pay more than $3.75 an hour for general housekeeping? Too many dickheads with a union mindset that think they should get the frickin world for doing something any idiot can do with very little effort.
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Why the hell should a company have to pay more than $3.75 an hour for general housekeeping? Too many dickheads with a union mindset that think they should get the frickin world for doing something any idiot can do with very little effort.
I am not pro union lol those are fighting words!:miff: Why would any american work for less than minimum wage, you can make 12 grand a year easy on wellfare ? The reason is the mexicans can mail the cash home and the family can live a middle class live style on that money. They are not more willing to live on less, if they were they would be subsitance farmers in mexico. THE PROBLEM IS THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALY they should not be making out well in any way so long as they are illegal.

Lots of americans would move away form there family and go work abroad (assuming the place was as nice as America, to bad there is no such place) and we could make a years american wages in one month abroad. I am sick of Vincente Fox, and companies that use illegal work forces painting americans as lazy. Pay what ever it takes to get guys doing nasty work. If it takes $10.00 per hour or $26 per hour what ever it takes to do sweaty nasty dangerous work, the market dictates the value. By manipulation you can say its a $3.75 per hour job becuase mexicans do it for that. Mexicans aren't hard working by nature and just mindless little worker bees, that get off on back breaking labor! they are out working for the allmighty greenback too! Damn why is this so hard to understand. Its our economy that supports much of Mexico.

Lothos please explain why a illegal should be so richly rewarded with a $3.75 per hour job. The illegal mexican labor force is de facto low wage union. It only is rewarding if you have family in mexico. In which case you can support a family of 5-6 on your blackmarket american dollars.

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I am not pro union lol those are fighting words! Why would any american work for less than minimum wage, you can make 12 grand a year easy on wellfare ? The reason is the mexicans can mail the cash home and the family can live a middle class live style on that money. They are not more willing to live on less, if they were they would be subsitance farmers in mexico. THE PROBLEM IS THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALY they should not be making out well in any way so long as they are illegal.

What's funny is you're mad like they're the ones to blame. Most illegals are only illegal because they were looking for work and got on a truck that ended up here in the States. And it's not just Mexicans, so don't going with that logic either. The laws have to be made to punish those that traffic illegals without necessarily making the lives of the workers themselves a living hell. All they're looking for is a job to feed their family.
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whats the problem? Are the illegal mexican's too smart that they are stealing your job? Maybe you should get a better education or learn to clean toilets for $3 an hour.

IMO its not the illegal immigrants that are draining us, it's people like you that only look out for yourself and not human kind on a much larger scale.
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Um, Americans by and large are fat, lazy, and stupid.
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What's funny is you're mad like they're the ones to blame. Most illegals are only illegal because they were looking for work and got on a truck that ended up here in the States. And it's not just Mexicans, so don't going with that logic either. The laws have to be made to punish those that traffic illegals without necessarily making the lives of the workers themselves a living hell. All they're looking for is a job to feed their family.
Arg the problem is they are illegal not that they want to work.:miff: Yes they are to blame for being here illegally. I agree the trafficers need to be punished, but not everyone is "trafficed". They simply cross the border on foot in the southwest. If you think americans are naturally ignorant, who foolishly pays thousands of bucks to be illegally smuggled with out the guarantee that you wont die in transit, or be sent back? Those hardworking asians die all the time in giant frieght containers.

And its the backs of "lazy" americans that pay for their kids, education, food, wellfare, and subsidize their illegal dollars with the strength of OUR economy.
Anyone who works and pays taxes, and is against defrauding social programs should be anti illegal immigration.
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heh, this apparently caused a bit of a shit storm.

I'm more interested in the safety/security aspect and the over due attempts to cut down on border smuggling of all types. be it human trafficking to drugs, to other contraband, and/or terror efforts.

We make such a big deal of "Customs" at our populated border crossings, but have these two giant, unrestricted borders.

talk about putting ones' head in the sand for 200 years...
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heh, this apparently caused a bit of a shit storm.

I'm more interested in the safety/security aspect and the over due attempts to cut down on border smuggling of all types. be it human trafficking to drugs, to other contraband, and/or terror efforts.

We make such a big deal of "Customs" at our populated border crossings, but have these two giant, unrestricted borders.

talk about putting ones' head in the sand for 200 years...
No other country in the world is presently surrounded by a physical barrier. They did it in Berlin in WWII though :miff:
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Um, Americans by and large are fat, lazy, and stupid.
I can say this with out fear of getting flamed cause i am latin. But have you ever been to california ? Have you seen the mexicans after they have been hear 10 years. They can really pack the food away. Tons of huge dudes, they are like somoans!

Lazy? Unemployment is approx 5-6% in america? How is that lazy? If by lazy you mean we have lots of luxuries and appliances etc those "hardworking" immigrants sure convert to our lazy way of doing stuff in a hurry. America must just naturally currupt people
Of the industrialzed nations we work as many hours as any nation on average and take less and shorter vacations. To compare the U.S. average joe to a tribal society would be a joke, most work only a few hours a day. I don't know how the media spun this so far that americans are uber lazy

Stupid? Again wrong, everyone from american hating terrorists, to american hating commies come to america to study at our universities. The rest of the world loves to come here to study! What crap we are not dumb.

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No other country in the world is presently surrounded by a physical barrier. They did it in Berlin in WWII though :miff:
I wasn't necessarily advocating the physical barrier.

A great many of other countries in this world however do take border security very seriously.

And you are talking about my ancestoral home...

As for history, there have been quite a few other major historical examples of border security through the use of physical barriers, including the (great wall of china)

Personally, I'd rather it not be a wall, or a fence, but rather a deep, and wide moat, with sharks with fricken laser beams on their heads...

else, guard our borders with the knights who say nnnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeee....
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No other country in the world is presently surrounded by a physical barrier. They did it in Berlin in WWII though :miff:
no other country is so attractive to sneak into or to turn goods that were smuggled in, into mucho dinero. Most countries do not share our friendly relations with our neighbors to the north and south. Many countries have long ardious boder crossing check points. I just read a few days ago in Israel the check points that were formerly Israeli controlled now are palestinian controlled. Anyways they interviewed a business man he said now that the palestinians run the check point it only takes a few hours to get through, i think it was like 3 hours. He said when the israelis controlled the same check points it took mulitple days for passage through a check point. Multiple days ! Thats what other countries deal with.

Lots of countries are too poor to put up and guard a border but they sure as hell would do it if they had the chance, some to keep their people in others to keep refugees out. We are lucky that we have the enviable problem of being so attractive we have to keep illegals out, and have the money to build such a wall and man it. I dont see ANY problem with a wall to keep others out. Its hardly fair to draw comparisons to Berlins wall which was to keep citizens inside the walls. We are not going to be traped!

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I like the moat Idea, all you have to do is quit tapping into the rivers and pumping the water to California, then the people would have a NATURAL barrier to keep them out. right now the Reo Grande ends about 200 miles short of the Gulf of Mexico.

maybe we should dig the new cannel for the super ships that bring all the products from Asia in the spot where the river used to be? then it would be the barrier and the ships could take cheap laborers back to the far east, then we could create "Chexico"!
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finally only took about 50 years to long. I don't know why we should have open unchecked border crossing. There is no good that can come from unchecked borders, we have been shooting ourself in the foot for decades.
I am sick of el presidente fox. That guy is a moron. He makes it sounds like we neeeeeeed Mexicans like they are a vital natural resource. Illegals are a drain. I am on my last nerve with regards to the claim they do jobs americans wont do. NOOOO they do jobs americans won't compete with mexicans for. Americans will work the night shift for a subcontractor cleaning company at Wallmart. They just wont do it for $3.75 per hour. The illegals are a price fix that U.S. citizens should not have to compete with. I dont even like using that word, its not even competeing its just plain BS. I am all for free enterprize i am all for LEGAL immigration. The current situation is just pathetic though. If i see one more activist on TV calling this racist, or zenophobic i don't know what i am gonna do. Probably yell at the tv and loose my mind. After you illegally sneak in you should be striped of any potential to ever become a legal citizen. If you sneak in more than twice we should get to torture you or make you slave labor or something terrible.


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whats the problem? Are the illegal mexican's too smart that they are stealing your job? Maybe you should get a better education or learn to clean toilets for $3 an hour.

IMO its not the illegal immigrants that are draining us, it's people like you that only look out for yourself and not human kind on a much larger scale.
The illegals aren't comming here out of the goodness of their hearts to work for charity. THEY ARE DOING IT FOR MONEY!! ILLEGALLY !! They have the same motivations as you and I, but with out the respect for our laws. They are not paying taxes. Their kids are however getting educated for free. They are only looking out for them selves. Stop being a self loathing american. They are poor illegal imigrants, not saints.

Not worried about them stealing my job, i am the boss, i am not worried about an illegal starting a company to compete with me, it would take him 10 years to save up the start up money. Plus i do everything legally, i have no idea how he could run a company, not pay taxes, not be insured, barely speak english, and somehow fly below the radar and not have OSHA or the IRS breathing down his neck. Ohh and immigration, to steal my job he would have to have his name on papers all over. Plus he would have to have a degree. If he had a bachleors in business administration i doubt he would have to sneak in .... Just a hunch.

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hope thats a joke. If not the jokes on you my last name is Bordato and im spanish and Argentinian.
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