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Old October 1st, 2012, 07:21 AM   #241
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Looking pretty good for the tigers.
depends on what you consider good.

It looks like they may make the playoffs......I do not think it looks like they have a chance to win the world series with their inconsistent hitting, terrible defense, and shaky bullpen.
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Old October 1st, 2012, 08:26 AM   #242
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depends on what you consider good.

It looks like they may make the playoffs......I do not think it looks like they have a chance to win the world series with their inconsistent hitting, terrible defense, and shaky bullpen.
Yea I just meant to make it to the playoffs, I don't expect much after that point.
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Old October 1st, 2012, 08:30 AM   #243
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I give ZERO blame to the defense.
We knew the D would suck.

I blame 80% on the offense that cannot generate runs
The other 20% on the bullpen.
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I give ZERO blame to the defense.
We knew the D would suck.

I blame 80% on the offense that cannot generate runs
The other 20% on the bullpen.
You HAVE to blame a team that has made so many errors that have cost them games.

I am JUST FINE with guys not making it to balls, or the occasional bobble. But what I am not ok with is throwing the ball away. These guys are professionals, and knowing they are not a good defensive team, they should always play for the smart play.

example, bobbled ball by say the 3rd baseman. OK, give up the infield hit, do not rush the throw, throw it away, and allow the runner to advance to second.
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You HAVE to blame a team that has made so many errors that have cost them games.

I am JUST FINE with guys not making it to balls, or the occasional bobble. But what I am not ok with is throwing the ball away. These guys are professionals, and knowing they are not a good defensive team, they should always play for the smart play.

example, bobbled ball by say the 3rd baseman. OK, give up the infield hit, do not rush the throw, throw it away, and allow the runner to advance to second.
I hear ya....but how many games has the D cost them? I am guessing 5 or so.

On the other hand, I am betting the lack of offense and bullpen has cost them 25 games.

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Omar Infante has 8-10 errors this halfseason since they traded for him....they will make the playoff, and thats it, another one and done.
Gte rid of Infante, Bosche, Peralta and Leyland and st
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I hear ya....but how many games has the D cost them? I am guessing 5 or so.

On the other hand, I am betting the lack of offense and bullpen has cost them 25 games.

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no actual research went into mine either.

i don't disagree with you, but the defensive stupidity annoys me much more than the defensive inability.

The bullpen has been BRUTAL, which shouldn't have been all that big of a deal the way they built the team, they were supposed to win 12-4 everygame anyway
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A little research shows that their starting pitching and hitting are among the best in the league, defense and bullpen are their weaknesses.
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A little research shows that their starting pitching and hitting are among the best in the league, defense and bullpen are their weaknesses.
Hitting.....are you joking?
YES

They are hitting the shit out of the ball......
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Hitting.....are you joking?
YES

They are hitting the shit out of the ball......
3rd highest BA in the league. Top 5 in most stats except HR's.
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Yea I just meant to make it to the playoffs, I don't expect much after that point.
is that satisfactory to you? To me it is not, I want to see my team win it all, I am not a "lions fan" where making the playoffs is cool. I am a pistons, red wings, kinda fan. I enjoy a playoff birth, but a playoff run is much more enjoyable.
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Hitting.....are you joking?
YES

They are hitting the shit out of the ball......
He's right, its just VERY untimely hitting. Situationally I'd like to see some research, but I don't feel like doing it.
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He's right, its just VERY untimely hitting. Situationally I'd like to see some research, but I don't feel like doing it.
That makes more sense.
I would also like to see 5-9 in the lineup compared.

I mean....obviously a triple crown winner will skew data.
5-9 is horrendous.
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He's right, its just VERY untimely hitting. Situationally I'd like to see some research, but I don't feel like doing it.
#1 with runners in scoring position, but dead last with bases loaded. Weird.


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#1 with runners in scoring position, but dead last with bases loaded. Weird.


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what I am more interested in is RISP, down 2 runs, 1-2 men on base, late innings. They very rarely seem to have late inning rallies.
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wow, 4th best batting average while losing. 8th in RBI's.....

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9th for batting average, 12th for RBI's seventh inning or later....
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runners on, 2 outs, 4th overall....

brewmenn is right, their hitting is much more decent then I want to believe....going off batting average.

But they drop to 14th in RBI's with runners on and 2 outs.
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what I am more interested in is RISP, down 2 runs, 1-2 men on base, late innings. They very rarely seem to have late inning rallies.
We suck in the 9th inning.
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One of the biggest problem I see is the we hit into a shitload of double plays. That kills any chance of a rally.
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