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Old April 8th, 2012, 08:29 AM   #21
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I have towed with many a borderline set up before and did just fine, I wasn't carrying my wife and kid out of state though (down to Norwalk or up to Milan).

The best performers were an older one ton Ford van with the 7.3 (pre-power stroke) and a two door Tahoe with the pre-Vortec 350. I would hardly consider either of those ideal, just the best of my list.
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How far did you guys tow the TJ with the Yukon, what kind of trailer?
Kentucky, U.P., northern Canada etc. Couple thousand miles for sure. His trailer is a standard dual axle 16 footer.
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A 5.3 will not do the job very well. My 6.0 HD was FAR better than my 5.3. I've tried tuning gas engines and found the tunes don't do much for them.
With the exact same load, Dad's 05 5.3 1500 pulls with no problem ! my 06 6.0 HD is always hunting for gears and falling on its face.. and im talking EFI live not some shitty OBDII plug in box.
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What kind of bad rap is the 4.7 getting?

My 2000 has been great, although towing only a boat or atv flatbed. Not an econo-motor, but powerful and troublefree.
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Get a half ton with a 5.3, you do not need bags. Load the trailer properly, 10-15% of trailer gross on the tongue. Use 3rd gear in the 4l60. Enjoy.
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Get a half ton with a 5.3, you do not need bags. Load the trailer properly, 10-15% of trailer gross on the tongue. Use 3rd gear in the 4l60. Enjoy.
You don't NEED a lot of things it just makes the job more comfortable
Ive got bags on my HD and they make towing such a nicer trip.
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Old April 8th, 2012, 10:24 AM   #27
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No, they ride like a truck designed to tow or haul a load. Whiterhino is just old. Jim you're also talking about the fuel mileage of trucks a good 5 years newer than his price range suggests for a crew cab.

He also mentioned hills, Kentucky, etc. I'd be worried about brakes! With good trailer brakes the halfton will be OK, but for 8-10k he's not gonna have a big block option like the newer trucks. Except fir the 2000ish 1500'sone that came with the 6.0 but he won't be getting the mileage your newer trucks got.
He's probably looking at 150k+ gassers or 200k diesels. Or something fairly old. I think best bang for the buck would be a 2500 with a 6 liter.
Good point on his budget. I still wouldn't be too worried about brakes if he has good trailer brakes and is only towing 1500 miles a year. But, it's hard to beat a 2500 HD.

Mclovin, I don't see how you can ever say a 5.3 will out tow a 6.0. There is no way I would trailer in the mountains with a 5.3. My 5.3 struggled to stay in OD across flat Michigan with a head wind. My 6.0 would only downshift on hills. UNTIL..... I put 285's on it. It was a huge mistake and definitely lost power.
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You need to look at your total fuel and maintenance cost before choosing a rig.
Something that gets 10 mpg at $4 a gallon running 1500 miles a year is going to cost you $600 in fuel to run total for that year.

You can pick up a older rig with a good body and reliable drive train that will pull and get 10 mpg for a fraction of what something with a 5.3 or diesel will cost.

The repair and maintenance cost will also be a lot less. Next to no of those electrical gremlins oh and no pesky additives or gelling issues to worry about.

Seems 4 door 3/4 tons can be found rather cheaply these days in good running condition for less then 6k all pretty and such. That should be enough to keep the kids comfortable and have all the stuff in the back.
Towing the TJ and some gear you should be OK for the most part on hills. If not flip on the 4 ways and stay in the right lane. I pass people every day overloaded no big. Now if this turns into something for towing 2 rigs then that's a different story. Defiantly need a diesel there. Like stated above a good trailer and a knowledge of how to move the load around will make a big difference in how you perform on hills.
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My TJ will still be my daily driver for the immediate future. It accumulates around 6000 miles per year, with a tow vehicle, that will drop around 1500.

I don't have plans to daily drive whatever I pick up, maybe once a week just to keep things moving.

I love diesels (minus any Ford after the 7.3 Power Stroke). I just don't want an eye sore in the driveway if I can help it.
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By the way, I have had a CDL for 18 years, I'm familiar with tongue weight, securing a vehicle on a trailer and driving it as safely as possible. I don't want to buy a truck that will turn into a maintenance nightmare or rust to bits before my eyes.
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Old April 8th, 2012, 11:36 AM   #31
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If the 454 will cost a pile in fuel but the reliability is the best, then it may be for me (assuming its in a body that doesn't rust too badly).
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If you don't want something that you will need to look at and insure all year round you could you could always use a u haul, Enterprise, or such.
I have never done it myself but you would not need to store, look at, or insure the truck all year round this way.
Think they advertise towing with there trucks. Might be something to look into.

Just a idea.
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That was my thought about the trailer...
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Good point on his budget. I still wouldn't be too worried about brakes if he has good trailer brakes and is only towing 1500 miles a year. But, it's hard to beat a 2500 HD.

Mclovin, I don't see how you can ever say a 5.3 will out tow a 6.0. There is no way I would trailer in the mountains with a 5.3. My 5.3 struggled to stay in OD across flat Michigan with a head wind. My 6.0 would only downshift on hills. UNTIL..... I put 285's on it. It was a huge mistake and definitely lost power.
My 2000 5.3 struggled with my boat, at least it couldn't hold od to save its life. My newer style 07 was noticeably better but had 373's I think the older truck was 342 and also had slightly bigger tires than stock. Both got about the same mileage towing. The Brewer truck handled my yj pretty well for 1500 miles worth of towing but I kept it in Michigan, if I had significant hills I would've wanted more power.
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What kind of bad rap is the 4.7 getting?

My 2000 has been great, although towing only a boat or atv flatbed. Not an econo-motor, but powerful and troublefree.
Oil pan rust out, head gasket failure, and biggest has been valvetrain failure (they break off and drop into cylinder causing massive failure). I talked extensively to a few rebuilders awhile back and they were all mentioning problems with the 04 and up 4.7s, so maybe they made some changes for the worse.

There have also been some 04-05 Hemi problems. My wife's randomly threw a rod at 171,000 miles with no warning. We never figured out why either, but have a new crate motor in her and going strong.
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If the 454 will cost a pile in fuel but the reliability is the best, then it may be for me (assuming its in a body that doesn't rust too badly).
Couple of points to consider. GM developed a special galvanizing dip process they supposedly still hold proprietory rights on. For the truck line they started doing rockers and bed in 94 and whole body in 96-now. They still rust, but not as badly as the Fords and Dodges do.

TBI 454 engines were the biggest dogs but returned decent towing mileage. Vortec (95 up) 454s sucked fuel towing, but came with second generation (better) 4L60E automatics.

Have you considered a 6.5 diesel? They are slow but return decent mileage and are quite durable as long as you don't overheat them. 95 and older have mechanical injection pumps that are more simple and durable.

If you really want to stay older GM GM I'd look for either a 94-95 diesel or 96-00 454 (or 5.7)
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Good points. I've had next to no dealings with the 6.5 though. I don't mind slow if the torque is good.

Good discussion so far, thanks.
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Good points. I've had next to no dealings with the 6.5 though. I don't mind slow if the torque is good.

Good discussion so far, thanks.
Torque is great. I have a freind with a 94 4x4 extended cab that reports a consistant 15-18 MPG empty or towing. The 96 and newer electronic injection pumps report a lot of problems.

Oh, and x3 on the uhaul trailers. Light, cheap, and well built. Used them myself for years before going BIG.
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Torque is great. I have a freind with a 94 4x4 extended cab that reports a consistant 15-18 MPG empty or towing. The 96 and newer electronic injection pumps report a lot of problems.

Oh, and x3 on the uhaul trailers. Light, cheap, and well built. Used them myself for years before going BIG.
Did you just use Light and Uhaul trailer in the same sentence ?
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I dont understand the hate on the 5.3, I have a 02 1500 5.3, and a 01 2500hd 6.0. I havent noticed much difference in power, and because my 1500 has an extended cab I usually use that. But I havent left mi, and my 2500 has been worked its whole life so it could just be tired. I still wouldnt rule out the 5.3 for your application, rides much better too. Another thing mine is a z71 so I believe that gives it 410s and a stiffer suspension, know my 2500 has 410s thougb
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