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Old April 14th, 2012, 10:12 AM   #301
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My personal take on this thing is that Z was in it for the power, not to help his neighbors. From the things I've read, Z had authority and aggression issues. His job on Neighborhood Watch was to call the police if he spotted something, nothing more. The fact that he continued to pursue the suspect after being advised not to leads me to believe he wanted to assert his (percieved) authority on the suspect.

I'm not saying T was good or bad, my information about him has been unreliable at this point. I just believe that Z made some bad decisions on his part.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 11:00 AM   #302
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I just dont see why Z would just shoot the kid! it doesnt make sense to me. Why would he do that?
This is the question right there.

From what has been presented in the media, I don't see it being proved beyond a reasonable doubt that murder was the intent of Zimmerman's actions. It will be difficult to prove the shooting was not in self defense.

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Old April 14th, 2012, 11:30 AM   #303
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Yes. It. Is.

Since Zimmerman:

1. Was armed with a firearm
2. Took the initiative to follow Martin
3. Shot and killed Martin

Zimmerman is responsible for Martin's death. Have you ever had, or did you just not fucking pay attention in your CCW class that explains the responsibilities you shoulder when carrying a sidearm and the increased scrutiny you must give every potential situation when carrying?
Again, fully understand. Again, it isn't illegal what he did. You're mixing the legality of things with his decision making and think he should be punished for it regardless of the legal implications. I don't think he made good decisions whatsoever, but his actions were NOT illegal.

You seem to assume you know what Zimmerman was thinking, and what his intentions were. You don't, and no one else does either. He could have wanted to confront Martin and scare him out of the neighborhood in a very confrontational manner. Or, he could have wanted to confront him in a polite manner and simply ask him what he was doing.

Again, following someone or confronting someone verbally is not illegal. The first PHYSICAL aggressor is what the court will determine and will ultimately determine if Zimmerman's actions were justified or not.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 04:13 PM   #304
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Z pulled the trigger. if it was self defense i would have expected the police to have found some type of weapon used/carried/dropped by T. or Z to be in devistatingly black and blue status. Mace or Taser would be more reasonable to carry when on neighborhood watch when you are seeking out suspicious persons.

a gun? more like defense of your castle against invaders.
Disagree. I fully support legal carry outside the home.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 04:58 PM   #305
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Yes. It. Is.

Since Zimmerman:

1. Was armed with a firearm
2. Took the initiative to follow Martin
3. Shot and killed Martin

Zimmerman is responsible for Martin's death. Have you ever had, or did you just not fucking pay attention in your CCW class that explains the responsibilities you shoulder when carrying a sidearm and the increased scrutiny you must give every potential situation when carrying?
This. Zimmerman used his pistol to try to keep himself from getting a ass whipping. That's not allowed.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 05:48 PM   #306
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Disagree. I fully support legal carry outside the home.
not saying i oppose legal carry.

seems to be a matter of 'balance'. when your on n'hood watch your WATCHING, not hunting. common sense sez keep your distance, report it to police. that's what police are there for. have not seen anyone alleging local police were lax in responding in previous situations in the community. would expect rapid response in to a call from a 'gated' community. what we will never know for a fact is whether Z's actions gave T any reason, no matter how stupid, to react.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 06:22 PM   #307
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This case has reminded me of this from the start.


Excessive force at it's finest.


I can see this guy getting off due to the media screwing up yet another case. No one knows all the facts. Still there is a line when he should have simply left it alone even if he did see him do something he is the Neighborhood watch.
"Observe and Report" Not, observe and confront.
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That was the best part of the movie other than the fight scene. If only we could solve all life's problems with a 230 gr hollowpoint.
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Oh, I see people are still talking about this. I'm disappointed that 'Merica fukc Yeah hasn't moved on to something else by now.
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And if by chance that person then approaches me in an unfriendly manner?
If it's me maybe I'm somewhat defensive, but I still explain to him that I'm staying with someone in the complex and have ever right to be there.

Do you come out swinging because he was unfriendly?
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My personal take on this thing is that Z was in it for the power, not to help his neighbors. From the things I've read, Z had authority and aggression issues. His job on Neighborhood Watch was to call the police if he spotted something, nothing more. The fact that he continued to pursue the suspect after being advised not to leads me to believe he wanted to assert his (percieved) authority on the suspect.

I'm not saying T was good or bad, my information about him has been unreliable at this point. I just believe that Z made some bad decisions on his part.
I don't disagree with any of that. But as they say, it take 2 to tango.

All reports I've read have TM confronting GZ about following him before GZ confronts TM about being in the complex. TM could have just continued on his way and he lives. He could have calmly explained that he was visiting someone in the complex and he lives.

Everything I've heard and read leads me to believe that it was TM that initiated the confrontation and was the aggressor.
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I don't disagree with any of that. But as they say, it take 2 to tango.

All reports I've read have TM confronting GZ about following him before GZ confronts TM about being in the complex. TM could have just continued on his way and he lives. He could have calmly explained that he was visiting someone in the complex and he lives.

Everything I've heard and read leads me to believe that it was TM that initiated the confrontation and was the aggressor.
Yup.

From a legal standpoint I think Z "should" get off because of this.

From a Scooter standpoint I don't fully agree with his posts, but I do agree that T could still be alive had Z not had a stick up his butt.

From a guilty or not guilty stand point I think Z "should" be held accountable for his actions because they were not necessary.

If T wasn't a confrontational thug he wouldn't be dead.
If Z wasn't a powertripping neighborhood watch guy he wouldn't have gotten beat up.
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I don't disagree with any of that. But as they say, it take 2 to tango.

All reports I've read have TM confronting GZ about following him before GZ confronts TM about being in the complex. TM could have just continued on his way and he lives. He could have calmly explained that he was visiting someone in the complex and he lives.

Everything I've heard and read leads me to believe that it was TM that initiated the confrontation and was the aggressor.
I respect your opinion but I just can't get myself to make a decision on T at this point. Amazing since I'm somewhat racist but I still try to get the facts before I decide regardless of skin color.
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