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Old April 12th, 2012, 11:26 PM   #261
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Old April 13th, 2012, 05:34 AM   #263
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Deplorable, however, irrelevant to Zimmerman's defense.
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You can't fathom what I'm saying Jeff, that's the problem. Zimmerman called 911 to report the person and was told not to follow him - that is the police's job, not his.

If the situation you mentioned happens to me:
1. I get in my car and leave. I don't bother with people in public anymore - growing up your biggest worry in a confrontation was getting cut. Anyone sane or not, apparently, can carry a handgun. It isn't worth it.

2. Someone hanging around my house will be addressed in a polite matter and will most likely die if I am attacked. However, I am on my own property, and that person is trespassing - Martin was not, and I'd imagine Zimmerman was less than polite when confronting the kid.

Jeff, no matter what is the initial reason behind shooting someone, you might be CHARGED with murder. There's no conviction yet.


But I hope there is.
I guess we'll agree to disagree. Zimmerman wasn't breaking the law, and neither was Martin. Verbally confronting someone isn't against the law, and it doesn't matter if it's polite or not. Whoever escalated the confrontation to physical violence first is the agressor.

Yes, I know you can be charged with murder even if you're self defense shooting is justified.

Dare I ask why you want a conviction so bad? Wouldn't you rather know all the facts first?
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Old April 13th, 2012, 06:53 AM   #266
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Seriously, what can a skinny teen do to threaten someone enough to put a hole in their chest?
I thought I heard treyvon was like 6' 200lbs, anyone that size could kick my lilly ass. I could see enough threat to put a hole in his chest, right or wrong....but if those size accounts are correct I don't think I'd classify treyvon as a skinny little bitch
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That paints Sanger in a pretty good light but that is not who she is or was. You found the best article for her that there is. I think this describes her more to who she really was.

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I guess we'll agree to disagree. Zimmerman wasn't breaking the law, and neither was Martin. Verbally confronting someone isn't against the law, and it doesn't matter if it's polite or not. Whoever escalated the confrontation to physical violence first is the agressor.

Yes, I know you can be charged with murder even if you're self defense shooting is justified.

Dare I ask why you want a conviction so bad? Wouldn't you rather know all the facts first?
I don't know why Scooter is looking for a quick conviction. I'd prefer to know all the facts. However, from what we know from the 911 tapes, although not legally binding, Z was advised to let the cops handle M. IMO, that is good advice, especially coming from someone who is (supposedly) trained in emergency situations. Instead, from the map Bruce posted, it appears Z chose to walk/run ahead of M to cut him off for a confrontation. Legal or not, this indicates Z was the agressor.

To me, there are legal reasons why Z could possibly get off. However, purely from a common sense standpoint, I believe he made some bad moral decisions. Now, putting this into a different context, if you or I cause a traffic accident where a person gets killed, we can be sentenced to 1 year in jail and/or a $2000 fine. (it might be $1K) So, while knowing that a purely innocent incident can cause jail time, Z's disregard for the advice given takes him to some form of a guilty status.

It's kind of like negligence versus gross negligence. If you are negligent, you accidentally let something happen. If you are grossly negligent, you KNOWLINGLY let something happen. Z took a risk that most of us would not have taken. Legal? maybe. Smart? not so much.
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I don't know why Scooter is looking for a quick conviction. I'd prefer to know all the facts. However, from what we know from the 911 tapes, although not legally binding, Z was advised to let the cops handle M. IMO, that is good advice, especially coming from someone who is (supposedly) trained in emergency situations. Instead, from the map Bruce posted, it appears Z chose to walk/run ahead of M to cut him off for a confrontation. Legal or not, this indicates Z was the agressor.
To me, there are legal reasons why Z could possibly get off. However, purely from a common sense standpoint, I believe he made some bad moral decisions. Now, putting this into a different context, if you or I cause a traffic accident where a person gets killed, we can be sentenced to 1 year in jail and/or a $2000 fine. (it might be $1K) So, while knowing that a purely innocent incident can cause jail time, Z's disregard for the advice given takes him to some form of a guilty status.

It's kind of like negligence versus gross negligence. If you are negligent, you accidentally let something happen. If you are grossly negligent, you KNOWLINGLY let something happen. Z took a risk that most of us would not have taken. Legal? maybe. Smart? not so much.
No it doesn't...I am allowed to walk anywhere as long as I'm not tresspassing in the country and if just so happens I walk in front of someone I'm followig, it doesn't mean I'm being agressive...come on whiterhino
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uh huh....... sure. That's a great defense.
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uh huh....... sure. That's a great defense.
Verbal confrontation is not illegal. Stupid decision on Zimmerman's part though.
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Dare I ask why you want a conviction so bad? Wouldn't you rather know all the facts first?
Because I hate fat Mexicans.

From the facts I know, Zimmerman had a history of violence and should not have had the gun in the first place. He has an inferiority complex and "packed heat" while volunteering for neighborhood watch, and from the reported frequency of his calls to 911, quite the alarmist.

Martin was a kid minding his own business that wouldn't be dead if Zimmerman didn't feel the need to act.

Based on Zimmerman's history and witness accounts of his behavior, I deduce - because the media is blowing everything out of proportion - that Zimmerman confronted the kid in a rude / disrespectful manner and may have even tried to detain him for police. He proceeded to get his ass (rightfully) beat and he shot Martin.

Again, Martin would be alive if Zimmerman wasn't such a cowboy. He shot and killed Martin - whether he planned to or not - he needs to accept responsibility for the shooting.
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Because I hate fat Mexicans.

From the facts I know, Zimmerman had a history of violence and should not have had the gun in the first place. He has an inferiority complex and "packed heat" while volunteering for neighborhood watch, and from the reported frequency of his calls to 911, quite the alarmist.

Martin was a kid minding his own business that wouldn't be dead if Zimmerman didn't feel the need to act.

Based on Zimmerman's history and witness accounts of his behavior, I deduce - because the media is blowing everything out of proportion - that Zimmerman confronted the kid in a rude / disrespectful manner and may have even tried to detain him for police. He proceeded to get his ass (rightfully) beat and he shot Martin.

Again, Martin would be alive if Zimmerman wasn't such a cowboy. He shot and killed Martin - whether he planned to or not - he needs to accept responsibility for the shooting.
So if you're rude to me in a verbal confrontation, I can kick your ass and that's ok? You should just sit there and take it and not defend your life?

Makes sense...
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I thought I heard treyvon was like 6' 200lbs, anyone that size could kick my lilly ass. I could see enough threat to put a hole in his chest, right or wrong....but if those size accounts are correct I don't think I'd classify treyvon as a skinny little bitch
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I don't know why Scooter is looking for a quick conviction. I'd prefer to know all the facts. However, from what we know from the 911 tapes, although not legally binding, Z was advised to let the cops handle M. IMO, that is good advice, especially coming from someone who is (supposedly) trained in emergency situations. Instead, from the map Bruce posted, it appears Z chose to walk/run ahead of M to cut him off for a confrontation. Legal or not, this indicates Z was the agressor.

To me, there are legal reasons why Z could possibly get off. However, purely from a common sense standpoint, I believe he made some bad moral decisions. Now, putting this into a different context, if you or I cause a traffic accident where a person gets killed, we can be sentenced to 1 year in jail and/or a $2000 fine. (it might be $1K) So, while knowing that a purely innocent incident can cause jail time, Z's disregard for the advice given takes him to some form of a guilty status.

It's kind of like negligence versus gross negligence. If you are negligent, you accidentally let something happen. If you are grossly negligent, you KNOWLINGLY let something happen. Z took a risk that most of us would not have taken. Legal? maybe. Smart? not so much.
First, it was Ms. Chaffer that posted the map, not me.


Looking at the map, and assuming that the locations are accurate, and assuming that the “assumed paths” may not be accurate; a few things come to mind. Given that the complex isn’t that big, M must that been awfully quick to assume that Z was following him.
While your suggested sequence of events is possible, the call does not support it. The call leads me to believe that Z had completely lost sight of M and was returning to his vehicle to meet the police when they arrived.
I can think of several possible scenarios for them to end up meeting at that location, most of them have M as the aggressor.
M could have run, then hid to ambush Z when he got there.
M could have turned around to confront Z rather than continuing on his way.
Their meeting could have been by chance as Z was returning to his vehicle.
Other articles I’ve read seem to indicate that M confronted Z about him following
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uh huh....... sure. That's a great defense.
so when you are following someone in the mall are you being aggresive? How about when you follow someone at night after a sporting event?
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so when you are following someone in the mall are you being aggresive? How about when you follow someone at night after a sporting event?
I do all the time. Teeth and fists clenched, I follow very agressively.
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Funny part is that zimmerman isn't even caucassin, and this is still being aimed at whites.
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so when you are following someone in the mall are you being aggresive? How about when you follow someone at night after a sporting event?
Apples and oranges there sonny. If I am innocently following someone, I am not being aggressive. If I am following someone at a distance and maintaining that distance, I am not being aggressive BUT I may be giving them reason to become uneasy and possibly confront me. If I make an effort to get ahead of them and confront them, I am definitely being aggressive.

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Sorry for the misquote. And, you may be correct. I don't think anyone knows. I am purely stating that "IF" Z made an effort to get ahead of M, he deserves some credit for escalating the situation.
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