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Old April 12th, 2012, 11:00 AM   #221
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Man I come on gl4x4 to bullshit about lifted trucks and tires and motors, cause I hate the news, cause everything is bullshit and one sided, to find everyone talkin about a nig nig and spic that couldn't get along.simple as that.... The time used to argue and try to dig for facts, could be time used for doin a tune up or modding something....lets get back to rig builds...what do ya say?
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Old April 12th, 2012, 11:12 AM   #222
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Man I come on gl4x4 to bullshit about lifted trucks and tires and motors, cause I hate the news, cause everything is bullshit and one sided, to find everyone talkin about a nig nig and spic that couldn't get along.simple as that.... The time used to argue and try to dig for facts, could be time used for doin a tune up or modding something....lets get back to rig builds...what do ya say?
Hey you ignorant racist fukc , you do realize you stumbled into the politics, religion, and governement chat section of the website don't you?

God, I always thought there was some hope for our youth, then a guy like you posts
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Old April 12th, 2012, 11:21 AM   #223
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Duuude it never leaves live feed, ever since I signed in, I could give 2 fukcs less what happens to them, unless there your imeadiate family then why the hell is it such a big deal. And on a side note the "nig nig and spic" part was in a joking manner, trying to get people thinkin about there trucks instead of who did what to who all fukcn day long.
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Old April 12th, 2012, 11:29 AM   #224
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Old April 12th, 2012, 11:31 AM   #225
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^thats better hahaha,very true. But he wouldn't of gotten shot if he had a truck...
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Old April 12th, 2012, 11:37 AM   #226
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Duuude it never leaves live feed, ever since I signed in, I could give 2 fukcs less what happens to them, unless there your imeadiate family then why the hell is it such a big deal. And on a side note the "nig nig and spic" part was in a joking manner, trying to get people thinkin about there trucks instead of who did what to who all fukcn day long.
What is this "live feed" you speak of?
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Old April 12th, 2012, 11:49 AM   #227
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At the top next to where your name is, where you would sign in, there's a little circle that says "GREAT LAKES 4x4 LIVE" this might help if you are having troubles seeing-
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Old April 12th, 2012, 01:35 PM   #228
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Whatever happens, this could turn into a case about the "Stand your ground" gun laws in Florida.
I think it really comes down to who was "standing thier ground"
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Old April 12th, 2012, 01:57 PM   #229
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So Zimmerman would be dead instead?

Like people have stated before, there is no law against following someone. If you follow someone as part of neighborhood watch or not, get attacked and kill them in self defense it is still justified. Whether or not that's what happened between Zimmerman and Martin, who knows. That's what the court will decide I guess, but if they were going to charge him, it should have happened when he was first arrested, not weeks later due to mob pressure.
Why can't folks get it through their heads that if Zimmerman followed the instructions given to him over the phone, none of this bullshit would've happened???

Someone with a gun looking for trouble <<< teenager minding his own business until confronted by that someone on a power trip.
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Old April 12th, 2012, 02:01 PM   #230
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Why can't folks get it through their heads that if Zimmerman followed the instructions given to him over the phone, none of this bullshit would've happened???

Someone with a gun looking for trouble <<< teenager minding his own business until confronted by that someone on a power trip.
I can get that through my head. I fully understand if he wouldn't have followed, nothing would have happened. There is no law against following someone and confronting them.

To me that's also like saying, "well if that guy never would have got up this morning he wouldn't have gotten in a car accident."

If you verbally confront someone because they are hanging around your car or house, and then they attack, you have the legal option to defend yourself by force. What you're saying is, you shouldn't verbally confront someone because you might be convicted of murder if you defend yourself if the other person escalate it to physical violence.
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Old April 12th, 2012, 02:07 PM   #231
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Why can't folks get it through their heads that if Zimmerman followed the instructions given to him over the phone, none of this bullshit would've happened???

Someone with a gun looking for trouble <<< teenager minding his own business until confronted by that someone on a power trip.
If he didnt follow him then Martin could have broken into a house and killed someone. NOBODY knows what COULD of happened, what the court needs to find out is what DID happen. And unfortunaly Zimmerman is not going to get a fair trial because the media runs this country.
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Old April 12th, 2012, 02:15 PM   #232
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I can get that through my head. I fully understand if he wouldn't have followed, nothing would have happend. THERE IS NO LAW AGAINST IT.

To me that's also like saying, "well if that guy never would have got up this morning he wouldn't have gotten in a car accident."

If you verbally confront someone because they are hanging around your car or house, and then they attack, you have the legal option to defend yourself by force. What you're saying is, you shouldn't verbally confront someone because you might be convicted of murder if you defend yourself if the other person escalate it to physical violence.
You can't fathom what I'm saying Jeff, that's the problem. Zimmerman called 911 to report the person and was told not to follow him - that is the police's job, not his.

If the situation you mentioned happens to me:
1. I get in my car and leave. I don't bother with people in public anymore - growing up your biggest worry in a confrontation was getting cut. Anyone sane or not, apparently, can carry a handgun. It isn't worth it.

2. Someone hanging around my house will be addressed in a polite matter and will most likely die if I am attacked. However, I am on my own property, and that person is trespassing - Martin was not, and I'd imagine Zimmerman was less than polite when confronting the kid.

Jeff, no matter what is the initial reason behind shooting someone, you might be CHARGED with murder. There's no conviction yet.


But I hope there is.
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Old April 12th, 2012, 02:20 PM   #233
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If he didnt follow him then Martin could have broken into a house and killed someone. NOBODY knows what COULD of happened, what the court needs to find out is what DID happen. And unfortunaly Zimmerman is not going to get a fair trial because the media runs this country.
OMG! Nigga's got skittles!!!! Run for your lives!!!! FUCK!!!! WE CAN'T!!! Bitch has got some Arizona Tea - WE'RE DONE FOR!!!!

There are laws in place to keep things from getting stupid. Several were overlooked leading up to this murder. Zimmerman has an inferiority complex, has been witnessed losing control of his emotions and acting out in rage - in situations that cost him a previous job.

Seriously, what can a skinny teen do to threaten someone enough to put a hole in their chest?
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Old April 12th, 2012, 02:25 PM   #234
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OMG! Nigga's got skittles!!!! Run for your lives!!!! FUCK!!!! WE CAN'T!!! Bitch has got some Arizona Tea - WE'RE DONE FOR!!!!

There are laws in place to keep things from getting stupid. Several were overlooked leading up to this murder. Zimmerman has an inferiority complex, has been witnessed losing control of his emotions and acting out in rage - in situations that cost him a previous job.

Seriously, what can a skinny teen do to threaten someone enough to put a hole in their chest?
Im not saying what Zimmerman did was right, I am not saying that I would do what Zimmerman did. Both of the individuals were shady characters. But its too late, we cant do anything about it. Its up to the court to decide whats right and whats wrong!
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Im not saying what Zimmerman did was right, I am not saying that I would do what Zimmerman did. Both of the individuals were shady characters. But its too late, we cant do anything about it. Its up to the court to decide whats right and whats wrong!
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Old April 12th, 2012, 02:41 PM   #236
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Why can't folks get it through their heads that if Zimmerman followed the instructions given to him over the phone, none of this bullshit would've happened???

Someone with a gun looking for trouble <<< teenager minding his own business until confronted by that someone on a power trip.
There are countless what if scenarios that could have played out. By some accounts Z did break off his pursuit, or lost him, and M attacked him while, or after returning to his vehicle. Most accounts seem to have M confronting Z first, not Z confronting M.
So if Martin minds his own business and keeps walking none of this happens. Up until the point of confrontation all M knows is that someone is walking behind him. As stated elsewhere in this thread, there are countless reasons why someone might be walking behind you that do not justify an angry confrontation.
And if confronted he calmly explains that he is staying at his Dads GFs place probably none of this happens.
One of the 2 escalated the confrontation from being verbal to being physical. That person, to me, is the one who is at fault.
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Old April 12th, 2012, 03:04 PM   #237
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So I just listened to this and I gotta say I'm more confused than before.

http://phoebe53.wordpress.com/2012/0...rayvon-martin/

I guess I never really looked into this further, but the 911 operator tells him that "they don't need him to do that" in reference to following the Tray. Z says, "Ok". Everything Z says after that sure sounds like A) He's not in pursuit of Tray and B)He's unsure of where Tray is.

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It’s a home. It’s 1950 – oh, crap, I don’t want to give it out – I don’t know where this kid is [inaudible] [3:40]
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I did however just come across this. Interesting to at least see where stuff was in relationship to each other despite the whole "assumed" path thing.

Meh. I've now invest far too much time into this.

I really don't give a shit. At this point I hope Z takes one for the team and gets convicted so we don't have to deall with the fall out bullshit that will follow a not guilty verdict.

Back to the racial bickering...I'm out.
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Old April 12th, 2012, 03:51 PM   #239
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You can't fathom what I'm saying Jeff, that's the problem. Zimmerman called 911 to report the person and was told not to follow him - that is the police's job, not his.

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okay 911 dispatchers go through alot of training however it is up to you to use your judgement wheter to follow their instructions or not...their instruction carry no weight of the law so by disobeying them is not illegal...and just like everyone else they can screw up

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Old April 12th, 2012, 04:25 PM   #240
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Wasn't Z hired by the gated community to watch for supposed suspicious characters? Were their not B&E's in that neibourhood by young black males?
Z was doing what he was hired to do. Z may have gone too far in following M. In which M then went into fight mode as opposed to running away.
As far as we know Z fought for his life when M broke his nose and bashed Z's head into the concrete.
Thats the way I see it and that is the way the courts will see it and then the riots will break out all over the country.
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