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Old March 6th, 2012, 06:57 AM   #1
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Ok, I know there are a few of you out there on this site that voted for him and probably will do so again in November.

My question is why?

Seriously, not trying to start a giant piss fest even though that will come, but I would really like to know why you feel he should be re-elected.

Do you think he has done good for this country? What good do you think he has done for us? Do you think he is the alternative to a Republican so that's where your vote will go?

I ask because it seems like every day I see people with the Obama 2012 stickers on their cars. I just don't get it. It seems as though things are just as bad, maybe worse, for the people that are the supposed supporters of the Democrats ideology.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 07:33 AM   #2
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I fear a social conservative presidency. We have already gotten a decent preview of how guys like Romney and Santorum think things should be in their competition to "out-conservative" each other. I'm not sporting an Obama 2012 sticker and I may still not vote for him, but there is not a chance in hell I'll vote for a Republican. More than likely I'll be throwing my vote towards a third party candidate.
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Yeah, it's so stupid to only spend what you take in.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 08:30 AM   #5
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Sova doesn't like conservatives..............
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I just like him because "I wont have to worry about putting gas in my car, I wont have to worry about paying my mortgage. You know if I help him he is going to help me."
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Mikesova basically summed up my thoughts on the subject.

I used to like when the Republicans were the party of personal freedoms, but these days they are the party of regulating what happens in a bedroom and womb. What two consenting adults do in their bedroom is of zero concern to me.

I also ask myself am I better off than I was when Obama came into office (and I will likely ask myself the same question again in November and then again 4 years from then when whoever else is running, etc.). I earn more money than I did in 2008, I now own my own home (which is worth more than it was back when I bought it), I have less debt (besides the mortgage of course), we pay roughly the same in taxes as we did back then, my friends who were heading to Iraq seemingly every moment are all home from there...

Honestly, if Huntsman were still in the race though, I'd probably be sporting that bumper sticker on my car. I'm hoping that he was just using this cycle to test the waters, figure out the process, and get the name out there and that he's planning on putting in a bigger effort in 2016.
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I also ask myself am I better off than I was when Obama came into office
But are you better off because of your drive and motivation or are you better off because Obama did it for you?
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I am better of than when Obama came into office but the country is far worse off.
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More than likely I'll be throwing my vote towards a third party candidate.
Honestly if more life long and were fed up enough to do the same I think a valid third party could emerge. But it seems like only enough on either side do it to ruin their party's chance.

I honestly really don't know who or what to support anymore. Its basically become about choosing the lesser of two evils.

I see the ads each of the republican candidates runs where all they do is run down the other guy. To me the message that sends is, "Vote for me, at least I'm not as bad as X". Rarely do you see anything positive.

The same thing goes for Obama. When I hear about him hitting the campaign trail I can't help but wonder how can people back a guy that is more concerned about keeping his ass in office than about fixing the problems we have. To me I might actually respect the guy if he came out and said, "I'm not going to campaign this year. I'm going to stay in Washington and work hard to solve our problems. When November rolls around and we are in a better place, that was my campaign." But that would be something honorable and noble...something severely lacking from politicians on either side these days.
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And if you aren't motivated to do it on your own, Obama() will provide you with a free cell phone, pay your rent, work on paying off your college loans, give you free food, free birth control, I know I'm forgetting something. Shi#, their even working on reducing your mortgage debt since you bought a house you couldn't afford. Why is the government your safety net?

So tell me why am I at work right now? Oh I need to work so the gov'ment can pay for those who don't

There's enough riding the gravy train that keep it moving, eventually there won't be enough paying in, oh wait, I think that's happened...... Why would they stop voting and give up their free shit? and the promise of "free" healthcare coming soon. Wait for it.....
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I am better of than when Obama came into office but the country is far worse off.
Once again...is that because of Obama or because you did it for yourself?

Kerry and I are far better off than when Obama came into office. But it has nothing to do with what he has done. If anything I think when his whole health care debacle comes to light we will be far worse off in that category.
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But are you better off because of your drive and motivation or are you better off because Obama did it for you?
I have no personal drive or motivation, so...

But I get what your asking. In general, I don't think there's any president who could really improve my individual life a great deal. Maybe a better way to look at it is, am I, individually, in a worse situation than I was a in 2008? Even though the president cannot really affect my situation much (for the better or worse), you better believe that if I had lost my job, was deeper in debt, etc., etc. I'd be much more willing to vote the bums out of office.
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Once again...is that because of Obama or because you did it for yourself?

Kerry and I are far better off than when Obama came into office. But it has nothing to do with what he has done. If anything I think when his whole health care debacle comes to light we will be far worse off in that category.
It's because of me. I am at a stage in my life where I am not needing to go into further debt, my kids are moved out and we are saving more than in the past. Our company had a large project that I was in charge of and it paid off for me. Therefore, I am more liquid than in the past.

On the other hand, if I look at the specific economy, I am actually worse. I am now upside down on both my motorhome and home and my 401K has not grown like I would have hoped.
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I have no personal drive or motivation, so...

But I get what your asking. In general, I don't think there's any president who could really improve my individual life a great deal. Maybe a better way to look at it is, am I, individually, in a worse situation than I was a in 2008? Even though the president cannot really affect my situation much (for the better or worse), you better believe that if I had lost my job, was deeper in debt, etc., etc. I'd be much more willing to vote the bums out of office.
I understand what you are saying and I do get that point of view.

I'm better off now than I was when he came into office for mostly personal reasons. But I still don't feel we are going the right direction as a country.

I worry that maybe a lot of people are in the same boat, doing better now than before, but not seeing the writing on the wall that this train sure looks pretty certain to derail.

The country is far farther in debt. We might be out of Iraq, but now we are staring down the barrel of war with Iran, which is scary as hell. Unemployment seems to be remaining flat for the most part.

I dunno, I guess at the end of the day it probably doesn't matter who is in office because its the mindset in this country that needs a change more so than who ever our figurehead is...
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I'm going to write in Clinton. I made boat loads of money when he was in office, so lets try it again.

But really, The Republican candidates right now have to be mentally unstable, everything they says i really ask myself, What is their issue?
if neither of them shape up their act before November. I'm giving the black guy another shot.
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That having been linked, I will probably vote for Santorum if he manages to miraculously make the big ticket. Otherwise, I'll be voting third party. I absolutely hate the stance that "a third party vote is a wasted vote". That's what they were telling people in Canada up until around 1993 when the "third" parties actually started to overtake the main two. If people would just start voting third party, then all the sheep who are too scared to take a stand might eventually work up the gall to do the same.
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It's because of me. I am at a stage in my life where I am not needing to go into further debt, my kids are moved out and we are saving more than in the past. Our company had a large project that I was in charge of and it paid off for me. Therefore, I am more liquid than in the past.

On the other hand, if I look at the specific economy, I am actually worse. I am now upside down on both my motorhome and home and my 401K has not grown like I would have hoped.
Thank you for making my point. :)
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Will be voting 3rd party. Just not sure who to get behind yet. I am personally sick of the and putting these ridiculous people in front of us and trying to make us think this is the best they have to offer. When the politicions get on board with whats best for the country and quit their pissing matches, i think thats when things will start to change. They have to much of an elitist, untouchable attitude to properly run our country. Go ahead and flame on. It is just how i feel about it.
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Will be voting 3rd party. Just not sure who to get behind yet. I am personally sick of the and putting these ridiculous people in front of us and trying to make us think this is the best they have to offer. When the politicions get on board with whats best for the country and quit their pissing matches, i think thats when things will start to change. They have to much of an elitist, untouchable attitude to properly run our country. Go ahead and flame on. It is just how i feel about it.
I don't think there really is anything to flame.

I'm not sure about the 3rd party working out. But maybe if there is a big showing it will show people that there is really another option out there. I think like someone else said everyone feels its a wasted vote. But a lot of wasted votes add up...
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