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Old March 18th, 2012, 05:13 PM   #1
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Wondering if anybody is an expert on this or has any experience...

We are a small business and right or wrong my personal truck is used for the business and is labeled w/our company name. (insured for business use however.)

My truck w/o trailer has a GVWR of less than 10,001#, however if I pull a decent trailer I am over 10,001 GVWR.

I do not ever pull a trailer for our business and therefore never have registered w/USDOT.

Now my real ? If I pull my car hauler w/Jeep on the weekends, am I required to have USDOT#? It's personal use (which is excluded), but my personal truck has the business name on it so I am a little concerned.

I have searched the USDOT site and MDOT and have not really been able to clarify it.

Anybody know?

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Old March 18th, 2012, 05:29 PM   #2
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Old March 18th, 2012, 05:33 PM   #3
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if your concerned than put the numbers on?
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Old March 18th, 2012, 05:35 PM   #4
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If you get stopped with the company name on the vehicle.. You could be sighted for no dot # and as long as it is labled they can give you A ticket for no inspection sticker.. There are a lot of things that they can ticket you for if the vehicle is lettered up.. Also once you hook that trailer up.. Now that gives even more of A reason to stop you!!
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Old March 18th, 2012, 05:37 PM   #5
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Old March 18th, 2012, 06:23 PM   #6
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Its defiantly worth the extra hassle for the DOT numbers and inspection. My dad got screwed over big time because we bought a commercial vehicle for personal use so we didn't have any of it.
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Old March 18th, 2012, 06:26 PM   #7
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Wondering if anybody is an expert on this or has any experience...

We are a small business and right or wrong my personal truck is used for the business and is labeled w/our company name. (insured for business use however.)

My truck w/o trailer has a GVWR of less than 10,001#, however if I pull a decent trailer I am over 10,001 GVWR.

I do not ever pull a trailer for our business and therefore never have registered w/USDOT.

Now my real ? If I pull my car hauler w/Jeep on the weekends, am I required to have USDOT#? It's personal use (which is excluded), but my personal truck has the business name on it so I am a little concerned.

I have searched the USDOT site and MDOT and have not really been able to clarify it.

Anybody know?

Thanks!
You are required to display a DOT number regardless if you have a trailer on the truck or not. 10,001 pounds has nothing to do with this requirement, just the fact that you are in a commercial vehicle.
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Old March 18th, 2012, 06:30 PM   #8
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DOT numbers require drivers logs if you operate out of 100 air miles of your home base. This also means you cannot be on the clock more then 14 hours IIRC.

What is the truck rated to tow? (Keeping in mind you have to take into account passengers and what is in the bed) If the trailer is over that at all you could get fucked even harder if you don't have DOT numbers and get stopped.

Nuggets is right though, commercial vehicle technically = DOT numbers
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Old March 18th, 2012, 06:37 PM   #9
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They are really enforcing this stuff now (more money for the state). If you have your business name on it they can stop you. You will also need to have an annual inspection sticker.
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Old March 18th, 2012, 06:51 PM   #10
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Something else to keep in mind... Towing a trailer with a GVWR over 10,000 pounds with a company vehicle, no matter whats pulling it, requires a class A cdl if the GCWR is over 26,000.
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Old March 18th, 2012, 06:52 PM   #11
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Thanks for all your input.

Sounds like I better stick to using a personal tow rig.
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Old March 18th, 2012, 08:21 PM   #12
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Default Found some clarification

For anybody that's interested I've done some digging, this web site

http://www.motorists.org/other/dot-numbering

turned me on to the regulation on the FMCSA site....

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...aspx?reg=390.3

(f) Exceptions. Unless otherwise specifically provided, the rules in this subchapter do not apply to—
(1) All school bus operations as defined in §390.5 except for the provisions of §§391.15(e) and 392.80;
(2) Transportation performed by the Federal government, a State, or any political subdivision of a State, or an agency established under a compact between States that has been approved by the Congress of the United States;
(3) The occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise;
(4) The transportation of human corpses or sick and injured persons;
(5) The operation of fire trucks and rescue vehicles while involved in emergency and related operations;
(6) The operation of commercial motor vehicles designed or used to transport between 9 and 15 passengers (including the driver), not for direct compensation, provided the vehicle does not otherwise meet the definition of a commercial motor vehicle except for the texting provisions of §§391.15(e) and 392.80, and except that motor carriers operating such vehicles are required to comply with §§390.15, 390.19, and 390.21(a) and (b)(2).
(7) Either a driver of a commercial motor vehicle used primarily in the transportation of propane winter heating fuel or a driver of a motor vehicle used to respond to a pipeline emergency, if such regulations would prevent the driver from responding to an emergency condition requiring immediate response as defined in § 390.5.

The following question/guidance is also from the FMCSA site:

Question 21: Does the exemption in §390.3(f)(3) for the ‘‘occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise’’ apply to persons who occasionally use CMVs to transport cars, boats, horses, etc., to races, tournaments, shows or similar events, even if prize money is offered at these events?

Guidance: The exemption would apply to this kind of transportation, provided: (1) The underlying activities are not undertaken for profit, i.e., (a) prize money is declared as ordinary income for tax purposes, and (b) the cost of the underlying activities is not deducted as a business expense for tax purposes; and, where relevant; (2) corporate sponsorship is not involved. Drivers must confer with their State of licensure to determine the licensing provisions to which they are subject.



So per the feds you can tow your Jeep on a trailer occasionally as long as it is for personal use, not sponsored, not for profit and your not deducting the trip as a business expense.

However, I'm guessing you better be doing it right, w/the right equipment, because you may be at higher risk of being pulled over and questioned. Having a copy of the regulation in the glove box is probably a good idea too.

Now I need to make sure Michigan follows FMCSA w/o any additional regs.
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Old March 18th, 2012, 08:51 PM   #13
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You are required to display a DOT number regardless if you have a trailer on the truck or not. 10,001 pounds has nothing to do with this requirement, just the fact that you are in a commercial vehicle.
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Old March 18th, 2012, 09:42 PM   #14
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you could just get some magnetic sheets body color of the truck to cover your business name while driving personal use. I know of a particular business that does this as shady as it may be.
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This. You don't need dot ##s under 10000 if you don't pull a trailer for work
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any rig that is used for bussiness. (ie making 5 dollars or 5k needs dot numbers)

if the truck has a name on the side it is considered bussiness even if he just drives it to work. same with other bussiness owners that have their shop name on there. but they are not targeted like any truck with a trailer and names on it.
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Old March 18th, 2012, 10:39 PM   #17
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any rig that is used for bussiness. (ie making 5 dollars or 5k needs dot numbers)

if the truck has a name on the side it is considered bussiness even if he just drives it to work. same with other bussiness owners that have their shop name on there. but they are not targeted like any truck with a trailer and names on it.
Wrong. I drive a pickup for work. Never have DOT# on the side. I work for a very, very large company. If it was required, it would be there.
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Old March 19th, 2012, 12:17 AM   #19
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Wrong. I drive a pickup for work. Never have DOT# on the side. I work for a very, very large company. If it was required, it would be there.
see that dont make any sense at all. my company truck has a name number address and dot numbers on it.

i pull trailers daily with anything from guard rail to skidsteers to a mower and gear.


the bosses truck that doesnt pull anything ever besides his fourwheeler for hunting. i had his truck one day and got pulled over for a seat belt ticket and the cop gave me a ticket for the seat belt and no numbers. the truck is brand new. just had all our company letters put on it but no dot. was waiting for the numbers to be issuesed before put on. he gave me a ticket even though it wasnt pulling or anything.
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Wrong. I drive a pickup for work. Never have DOT# on the side. I work for a very, very large company. If it was required, it would be there.
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