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Old March 21st, 2012, 11:04 AM   #1
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What would you have done?

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If you back the video up and watch it from the beginning, the kid had already made some dirty plays. Would you go beat the coaches ass? I would have had a very difficult time sitting there and watching this go on.
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Depends.

If my kid was the dick, I'd march out on the field and pull his stupid ass back to the bleachers. Then again, if I had a child, I'd like to think he wouldn't play that way.

If my kid was the one that got kicked in the head, I don't think the coach would be in much shape to protest if he got in my way. Then again, ( ) if I had a child in that game, I would've pulled him out long before that. No reason for any school sport to be that violent.
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If my kid got kicked I would go out and make sure he was okay. If okay I would allow my kid and the coaches to make the decision of whether or not to continue to play. Then make a formal complaint/police report.

If my kid did the kicking he would be immediately pulled for good and have to endure necessary punishments from the school and myself.
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My 12 year old plays travel baseball, and recently competitive/rec-league basketball.

the closest thing to that egregious of a violation I have seen, happened when my son was 10 in a baseball tournament. Jake was playing 2nd base (a position he normally does not play) and was making a non-force play at 2nd - had the ball in plenty of time, well out in front of the bag making it impossible for the runner to get to the bag safely.

rather than giving up on the play or performing a proper slide per tournament rules, the kid left his feet in a flying karate type of feet first launch at my son. (keep in mind, he was literally air born - something perhaps allowed in the pro's, but by definition not allowed in this tournament at this age group)

This same team's coaches were bitching about the "no balk" rule in effect for pitchers at the tournament complaining that the kids knew better "by this age".

He went red faced when I asked him why in the fukc their kids didn't know how to properly slide... The umpire indicated that if the kid had cleared just a tiny bit more air he would have ejected him.

Jake was only out for one play with some nasty cleat marks on his forearm. If he had been injured, I would have filed a formal complaint with the video to the tournament director, their insurance, as well as the umpire / sanctioning organizations.

Looking at the video above, with what is an obvious attempt to injure, my first priority would have been to administer aid to my son (or see to it that professionals did the same)

After that, I'm not sure what I'd do. I certainly do not blame any parent for pursuing criminal/civil complaints simply based on skimming the video.
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Old March 21st, 2012, 11:38 AM   #5
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If my kid got kicked I would go out and make sure he was okay. If okay I would allow my kid and the coaches to make the decision of whether or not to continue to play. Then make a formal complaint/police report.

If my kid did the kicking he would be immediately pulled for good and have to endure necessary punishments from the school and myself.

Rational thought again...............

I had a couple situations like this over the past hockey season. Not near as drastic, but gets a dad's emotions rolling.

My daughter took a couple shots from a winger while in the net for a Midget BB team. The first one she rolled out of and just gave the guy a dirty look, the second one, about a minute later came when he charged the net on a breakaway. She made the save, but ended up taking an elbow to the head. The player was then standing, stradled across her mid section with his stick raised.
I was jumping up to do something (whatever it was, IdK) when she raise her goalie stick as hard as she could between his legs, contacting I'm sure a very sensitive area. He kind of dropped to his knees and had to be helped off the ice by a coach and team mate.

After witnessing this year, it doesn't matter what you do to the kid as a coach or authority. The only thing that is going to stop a player from being a bully on the field is to have another player kick their @$$

....and yes, my daughter had no issues with that team the rest of the season.
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1. I'd hope my son wouldn't stand for being bullied like that.
2. I'd hope the referee would be able to control the game better.
3. If he couldn't and I was concerned for the safety of my child I would pull him.
4. referee's/umpires need to do a better job keeping youth sports under control when it comes to dirty play.

If my son was the dirtball I'd do as mentioned and pull him.
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1. I'd hope my son wouldn't stand for being bullied like that.
2. I'd hope the referee would be able to control the game better.
3. If he couldn't and I was concerned for the safety of my child I would pull him.
4. referee's/umpires need to do a better job keeping youth sports under control when it comes to dirty play.

If my son was the dirtball I'd do as mentioned and pull him.

Amen to this,......... Referee's need to get a hold of the game before it gets out of hand.
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Amen to this,......... Referee's need to get a hold of the game before it gets out of hand.
In youth sports, all too often, the refs/umps are too young and inexperienced - and/or spread too thin and don't know the various rules for each sanctioning organization they are umping for. Further, all too often, the parents/coaches vote to have the bare minimum staffing for umps/coaches for league events.

e.g. in the greater flint baseball league, they run with one umpire - home-plate. No field judge, or base judges. A large percent of the time, the ump stays "home" and won't venture out for long/difficult plays. Worse at only $25 for a 2 hour 30 minute ball game the pay doesn't exactly command top caliber individuals.

I've seen it in baseball and basketball - and heard friends' complain about it in soccer and football.

the poor kids that reffed the majority of middle school games at Genysis Rec Center - appear to be highschool sophmore's at best. Not only do they have to deal with enforcing the rules which change for each age group, but also contend with assholish parents that act as if their kids are being disadvantaged in front of the professional/college scouts that surely are lurking around
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I coach my boy in youth wrestling, I also help out a lot of the other kids on the team when the coaching staff is stretched thin. The officials make mistakes, oh well, that's life. I've had kids lose to a bad call, I;ve had my own son lose to a bad call, it sucks, but don't put yourself in a position to lose to a bad call. Blaming the refs doesn't make you a better wrestler, not being on your back makes you a better wrestler.

You have to understand the referee/ump's are being paid very little, I don't disagree you have to give them leeway, but dirty is dirty, no matter what they need to do a better job of controlling dirty play....that's a simple rule to understand.

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In youth sports, all too often, the refs/umps are too young and inexperienced - and/or spread too thin and don't know the various rules for each sanctioning organization they are umping for. Further, all too often, the parents/coaches vote to have the bare minimum staffing for umps/coaches for league events.

e.g. in the greater flint baseball league, they run with one umpire - home-plate. No field judge, or base judges. A large percent of the time, the ump stays "home" and won't venture out for long/difficult plays. Worse at only $25 for a 2 hour 30 minute ball game the pay doesn't exactly command top caliber individuals.

I've seen it in baseball and basketball - and heard friends' complain about it in soccer and football.

the poor kids that reffed the majority of middle school games at Genysis Rec Center - appear to be highschool sophmore's at best. Not only do they have to deal with enforcing the rules which change for each age group, but also contend with assholish parents that act as if their kids are being disadvantaged in front of the professional/college scouts that surely are lurking around

I have to admit, whenever I saw this type of behavior, the ref's immediately removed the individual from the arena. But, my daughter doesn't play in a school league, so there might be a little more funding for the ref's.
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edit:I looked at his body language and can see it looks intentional.
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Sports of this age rarely attract quality officials. Who wants to watch a little kids game for an hour and make 15 bucks.

I head coach multiple sports at this level and i'm always explaining the rules to the officials, they're mostly a bunch of high school + ref/umps that make a little extra cash on the younger kids.
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edit:I looked at his body language and can see it looks intentional.
I didn't think he ever looked at the ball.
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coach says:

"Don't read too much into it," Kitchee coach Ken Ng told AFP. "It is one boy kicking another boy."

sounds like he knew it was intentional.
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I coach my boy in youth wrestling, I also help out a lot of the other kids on the team when the coaching staff is stretched thin. The officials make mistakes, oh well, that's life. I've had kids lose to a bad call, I;ve had my own son lose to a bad call, it sucks, but don't put yourself in a position to lose to a bad call. Blaming the refs doesn't make you a better wrestler, not being on your back makes you a better wrestler.

You have to understand the referee/ump's are being paid very little, I don't disagree you have to give them leeway, but dirty is dirty, no matter what they need to do a better job of controlling dirty play....that's a simple rule to understand.
agreed on all accounts. my point was that parents rarely (ok never, ever, ever) make a ref/ump's job any easier.

inexperienced refs lose control of the normal pace/tempo of all too many youth sports games - the best one can hope for is that at a minimum egregious violations will be held in check and/or properly managed.

One of the explicit reasons that my kids are in sports, is to teach them that life isn't fair, that mistakes happen (by the players, refs, and coaches) so they can learn those life lessons now, learn to cope with them instead of waiting until they're in college, or an adult and can't cope with such concepts.

It's also one of the reasons they don't play soccer, "where everyone is a winner"
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Nice kick.

Who cares it's soccer. Foot fairies.
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Nice kick.

Who cares it's soccer. Foot fairies.
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