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Old March 6th, 2012, 11:13 AM   #21
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I'm not socially conservative. There are things like abortion and such I line up with the Dems on.

But, if we have an economy that collapses because of failed Democratic policies, issues like gays getting married or not doesn't matter much anymore which is why I vote Republican.

I guess what I'm saying is, I think more people tend to vote Democratic because of their social fears and think that the economy is screwed no matter who is running office.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 11:18 AM   #22
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I am better off then I was when obama came into office, but it certainly wasn't because of any of his policies that I didn't qualify for.
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I don't think there really is anything to flame.

I'm not sure about the 3rd party working out. But maybe if there is a big showing it will show people that there is really another option out there. I think like someone else said everyone feels its a wasted vote. But a lot of wasted votes add up...
This is my thought process, exactly. I like to take Ron Paul as an example. He started out as an independent candidate before signing on with the Republicans. Even when he was an independent, he was gaining support. While his levels were low at first, he has built up a following. Looking at other parties and other candidates, you can slowly see the trend going from sub-1% total vote to around 10% now. It's only a matter of time before people start realizing that all it takes is voting third party for candidates to want to consider running outside of the "big two".
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I am better off then I was when obama came into office, but it certainly wasn't because of any of his policies that I didn't qualify for.
Same here.

I don't understand why people have to justify which president to vote for by what they did for them. I just don't want them (government) in the way of accomplishing what I want in life. That's it.
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While I also would like to see a successful third party candidate, I don't think it will work anytime soon given our electoral system. If the winner of the presidential election was determined by national popular vote instead of electoral votes based on individual state totals, it might work out better. Unfortunately, I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Don't take this to mean that I think a vote for third party candidate is a wasted vote though.
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Same here.

I don't understand why people have to justify which president to vote for by what they did for them. I just don't want them (government) in the way of accomplishing what I want in life. That's it.
It really boils down to me not liking the things obama has pushed and supported, and not feeling like he has pushed anything thru that I felt is what I wanted to see happen.

To put it simply, I don't trust the man, I don't like the man, I don't want to see the man, and I don't want to hear the man, so I have zero intent on voting for him. He makes my skin crawl. I don't believe in his character, morals, values, attitude, etc.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 11:37 AM   #27
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It really boils down to me not liking the things obama has pushed and supported, and not feeling like he has pushed anything thru that I felt is what I wanted to see happen.

To put it simply, I don't trust the man, I don't like the man, I don't want to see the man, and I don't want to hear the man, so I have zero intent on voting for him. He makes my skin crawl. I don't believe in his character, morals, values, attitude, etc.
With ya 100%. My second comment was more towards other individuals that vote for people based on what the government has done for them. The government doesn't need to provide, they just need to get the fukc out of people's way.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 11:40 AM   #28
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Same here.

I don't understand why people have to justify which president to vote for by what they did for them. I just don't want them (government) in the way of accomplishing what I want in life. That's it.
That's why I asked this question. I don't understand why someone would vote for him at this point. I just don't get it. He really hasn't done anything positive for the country, but I was trying to see if any of his supporters felt he has. If that isn't what they are voting on I was also trying to see if they feel that he has somehow bettered their lives personally.

From what I can get at based on the two supporters, wsu and sova, is that they are just the opposite of how I feel. I vote more so against the Democrats more than I do for the Republicans. If that makes sense. I honestly don't like either one, but if I have to choose I feel the Republicans support more of my ideals than the Democrats.

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To put it simply, I don't trust the man, I don't like the man, I don't want to see the man, and I don't want to hear the man, so I have zero intent on voting for him. He makes my skin crawl. I don't believe in his character, morals, values, attitude, etc.
Is there really any one on the other side that you can't say the same about, that actually has a legitimate chance of getting the nomination?

I feel like I'm stuck back in 2008 again with both candidates sucking ass and its going to be the vote of "Who is the lesser douche".
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Old March 6th, 2012, 11:58 AM   #30
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"As of Monday, Obama had been in office 986 days—or about 32 and a half months. During that time, the debt increased at an average pace of $4.27 billion per day. Were that rate to continue until Obama’s term ends on Jan. 20, 2013, the debt would then stand at about $16.86534 trillion—an increase of more than $6.2 trillion for Obama’s four years."

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I don't think there really is anything to flame.

I'm not sure about the 3rd party working out. But maybe if there is a big showing it will show people that there is really another option out there. I think like someone else said everyone feels its a wasted vote. But a lot of wasted votes add up...
Third parties are for drawing legitimate votes away from candidates and electing folks to office without the majority.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 12:09 PM   #32
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"As of Monday, Obama had been in office 986 days—or about 32 and a half months. During that time, the debt increased at an average pace of $4.27 billion per day. Were that rate to continue until Obama’s term ends on Jan. 20, 2013, the debt would then stand at about $16.86534 trillion—an increase of more than $6.2 trillion for Obama’s four years."

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I just don't see how this is linked to Obama or any president. Every spending bill (by constitution) must start in the house and pass the house. Senators can attach spending but it has to go back to the house for passage.

Side note: Dems only controlled the house for two of the last 10 years.
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Third parties are for drawing legitimate votes away from candidates and electing folks to office without the majority.
So what is your option if you don't like choice A or choice B? Just pick the lesser of the ass douches?
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It really boils down to me not liking the things obama has pushed and supported, and not feeling like he has pushed anything thru that I felt is what I wanted to see happen.

To put it simply, I don't trust the man, I don't like the man, I don't want to see the man, and I don't want to hear the man, so I have zero intent on voting for him. He makes my skin crawl. I don't believe in his character, morals, values, attitude, etc.
I agree with that also. I think you should vote for whoever makes sense to you.
Not 200 other or .
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So what is your option if you don't like choice A or choice B? Just pick the lesser of the ass douches?
Yep!!
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Old March 6th, 2012, 12:21 PM   #36
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I'm not socially conservative. There are things like abortion and such I line up with the Dems on.

But, if we have an economy that collapses because of failed Democratic policies, issues like gays getting married or not doesn't matter much anymore which is why I vote Republican.

I guess what I'm saying is, I think more people tend to vote Democratic because of their social fears and think that the economy is screwed no matter who is running office.
I think because I don't like or I tend to vote on a social issue.
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Third party combo of ron paul and hillary clinton. U just wait and see.
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I guess what I'm saying is, I think more people tend to vote Democratic because of their social fears and think that the economy is screwed no matter who is running office.
Yep.
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I'm a fiscal conservative, small government kind of guy. More and more as this process grinds on, I am feeling dislike for Romney, and Newt. I think Santorum has potential, however he needs to mature for a few more years, and shut his mouth.

We need to stop spending money. Period. Programs need to be cut, and people need to deal with it. Obama is not doing that, he is spending more every day. I dont know if the Republicans will cut, but we know Obama wont, so I guess we can try one of them next.

I'm an anybody-but-obama guy, however I will not be happy if I have to vote for Mitt, which after today, I think Mitt may be the nominee.
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Third party combo of ron paul and hillary clinton. U just wait and see.
That could be the combo. She will keep him in line on foreign issues.
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