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Old February 29th, 2012, 12:17 PM   #81
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Old February 29th, 2012, 12:29 PM   #82
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As Whiterhino pointed out, having a CPL allows you to open carry in certain places where you cannot conceal carry. Bars are another instance. And again, not sure how wise it would be to open carry a pistol in a bar, but with a CPL it is legal.
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Old February 29th, 2012, 02:20 PM   #83
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I work in a PFZ but we also have a company policy against CPL's. Couldn't the company policy disallow CPL's, or in this case the school district?
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Old February 29th, 2012, 05:19 PM   #84
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I work in a PFZ but we also have a company policy against CPL's. Couldn't the company policy disallow CPL's, or in this case the school district?
No. A private company can create any gun rules they want on their private property. A school is government property. Therefore, school property falls under different laws. There is a thing called preemption that in simple words says that a local community cannot create gun laws that supersede state laws.
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Old February 29th, 2012, 06:07 PM   #85
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Dang! I could have been carrying when I was driving my school Bus? . Seriously Just kidding. I wouldn't even dream of carrying any kind of weapon on a bus if I was still driving.

I don't have a CPL either. I think it was Foolish to carry a Gun into a School. Don't most schools have "Weapon and Drug free zone" posted on the road going up the schooL? Would that not count as a sign?

I would also be curious if they are going to go the "Zero Tolerance" route. Being as School board meetings are open to the public and policies like those are considered public knowledge (because they can be found openly) he could be considered in violation of that policy.

It's the same as parking laws. You can't park within 30 ft (or something like that) of a Stop sign. I got a ticket for it once and looked into fighting it. Come to find out I didn't have ground to stand on because it's a public law that anybody can know about by looking it up.

Or maybe I'm just ignant.
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Old February 29th, 2012, 06:26 PM   #86
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Well, you asked, so yes, you are ignorant. I'll repeat it for you. Schools are part of the government. We have a law called preemption that says a local government entity cannot create a gun law that supersedes state law. Therefore, a sign stuck up, a school board, a security guard, etc CANNOT create a new gun law. No, I'm not going to search for the link. Take it or leave it, I don't care.

What YOU or I or SOMEONE ELSE "thinks" is dumb or stupid or whatever has NOTHING to do with this guy LEGALLY carrying a gun. I'm sure this guy doesn't really care what you think is right. Some people like to hunt, others don't. Is it right or wrong to kill an animal for pleasure or a trophy? Just because you may not think it's the prudent thing to do doesn't suddenly change the law.

Next, NO, you could not have carried a gun while driving a school bus. You were an employee and were bound by the terms of your employment handbook. Therefore, preemption does not apply to you.
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Old February 29th, 2012, 06:34 PM   #87
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The instructor at my CPL training class told us that's the reason cops don't get a CPL, too many restrictions on carrying.
well if most cops don't have a CPL then wouldn't they have to secure there pistol, when in there cruiser?
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Old February 29th, 2012, 06:43 PM   #88
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I agree that the chance of needing a firearm at a school while voting is slim to none. However pistol free zones are bullshit in my opinion unless it is guarded by armed security/LE. What better place to target than a place were the good guys can't have guns.
Yeah, because nobody ever gets shot in a school....

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Old February 29th, 2012, 06:50 PM   #89
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The instructor at my CPL training class told us that's the reason cops don't get a CPL, too many restrictions on carrying.
well your instructor was not that bright...LEO's get an unrestricted CPL if they get one as well as the CPL doesn't supersede their ability to carry…one of the reasons LEO’s get their CPL is for purchasing firearm, to skip the whole purchase permit thing
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Old February 29th, 2012, 08:20 PM   #90
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I never said people don't get shot in schools. Obviously I would be a complete idiot to believe school shootings don't happen. All I'm saying is the chances of something going down while you are in a school for 10 min. while you vote are slim. I retract the "none" statement. Just so we are clear. I am 100% PRO GUN. I do not disagree with what this gentleman did. I think you should exercise your 1st amendment right by carrying a firearm (j/k on the 1st amendment I am well aware it's the 2nd) God knows I exercise that right on a daily basis.
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Old February 29th, 2012, 09:19 PM   #91
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:clap: for MSP for acknowledging this man's rights!
Hopefully officers will take note of this very public occasion, and it will save others from unnecessary harassment.
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GRAND RAPIDS (WZZM) -- Michigan State Police say a man who walked into a Grand Rapids school with a gun was protected by state law.

Around noon Tuesday, the man walked into the polling place at Aberdeen Elementary School with a gun clearly visible in his holster. The man told administrators he had a concealed carry permit, and was trying to stand up for his legal right to carry a gun on election day.

Previous Coverage - GRPS: Voter may be charged for bringing gun to school

School leaders expect the man to face a misdemeanor charge, but that may never happen.

Sgt. Aimee Maikee with the Michigan State Police says someone with a valid concealed weapons license can carry a visible, holstered gun into schools, daycare centers, banks, churches, bars and sports arenas.

Sgt. Maikee says no one is allowed to carry weapons into the sterile part of a commercial airport, into a courthouse, or onto private property without the owner's approval.

"There are some people that think that individual should never -- even if it's not illegal under michigan law -- that people shouldn't carry a firearm into a school," says Sgt. Maikee. "There are other people that believe just as strongly the other way, that it's their right to carry gun and they do it for safety reasons."
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Old March 1st, 2012, 06:21 AM   #92
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Old March 1st, 2012, 06:27 AM   #93
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the guy didn't shoot anyone did he?
He he unholster the weapon at any time?
was he waving it around being all threatening like?

whats the issue?
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the guy didn't shoot anyone did he?
He he unholster the weapon at any time?
was he waving it around being all threatening like?

whats the issue?
Pussies are the issue. A bunch of whiny ones.
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Old March 1st, 2012, 07:37 PM   #95
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Ok, so I have no background on this but found the topic interesting.

CPL is a variant of "concealed weapon" yes?

Schools are covered under the "weapon free school zone" (which applies to all schools, there is no "program" they have to be a part of) here:
http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-750-237a

So, if you are licensed to carry a concealed weapon (CCW), you can carry on school property, regardless of open carry or concealed carry. If I'm reading it right.

Well, until I read closer on this one: http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-28-425o

That says no concealed carry on school property unless you are picking up/dropping off sort of exception.

So the original article would be he could open carry IF he is a concealed weapons license from MI or another State.

Unless CPL does not apply to "concealed weapon".

The first link refers to concealed weapon, the second a concealed pistol license.
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Ok, so I have no background on this but found the topic interesting.

CPL is a variant of "concealed weapon" yes?

Schools are covered under the "weapon free school zone" (which applies to all schools, there is no "program" they have to be a part of) here:
http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-750-237a

So, if you are licensed to carry a concealed weapon (CCW), you can carry on school property, regardless of open carry or concealed carry. If I'm reading it right.

Well, until I read closer on this one: http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-28-425o

That says no concealed carry on school property unless you are picking up/dropping off sort of exception.

So the original article would be he could open carry IF he is a concealed weapons license from MI or another State.

Unless CPL does not apply to "concealed weapon".

The first link refers to concealed weapon, the second a concealed pistol license.
Yes, you read it wrong. CPL is not a variant of a CCW. Having a CPL and carrying your pistol in open view in a holster makes you exempt from most pistol free zones. Concealed carry is prohibited in pistol free zones.
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Old March 4th, 2012, 09:16 AM   #97
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Apparently this same type of thing happened in my neck of the woods also.
http://m.tctimes.com/mobile/news/mis...9bb2963f4.html
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Old March 4th, 2012, 09:32 AM   #98
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Apparently this same type of thing happened in my neck of the woods also.
http://m.tctimes.com/mobile/news/mis...9bb2963f4.html
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Most alarming was a voter entering Lake Fenton High School with an open firearm. Although the voter did have a concealed weapons permit, it is unlawful to carry firearms on school property.

 “He made sure people saw it when he came in,” Krug said. “(Election workers) were shocked. Ironically, I had left to get supper for the workers. I guess he had walked past me when I walked out. Some of the ladies got nervous but nothing happened.”

 Krug noted that only a sworn police officer has the authority to carry a firearm on school property.
WRONG, it is legal to carry a gun if the person is open carrying with cpl.
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It amazes me how wrong someone can be and the paper will print it as a fact.
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Old March 4th, 2012, 01:12 PM   #100
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It amazes me how wrong someone can be and the paper will print it as a fact.
Why should that be amazing? it's standard procedure in the media.

And it's convincing. I thought the same until whiterhino pointed out the correct info.

Difference is- when presented with facts, my point of view changes.
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