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Old February 29th, 2012, 09:34 AM   #41
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I see several issues with your post, first:
There probably was no sense of entitlement just doing what he does.

How many vehicles get broken into and things stolen during school with people all over? So to assume locked behind GLASS is safe would be foolish.

As posted up before this I as well saw quite a few firearms in school that were not legal so the false sense of security from a law that says no one can carry on school grounds is wrong. I would rather have one legally armed parent if the need arises that words on a door or window. The idea that the criminal element will follow the rules is well STUPID.
And I once again refer to the post above referring to school shootings, If legally armed teachers, or parents, or in colleges students where there the death toll would be much less.
First off. I'm a gun supporter. You are also making assumptions on my post.

Yes, my opinion is he carried into school because he could, not because he should.

Is leaving the gun in a locked car a good idea? It was better than the one he made carrying into the school. The correct decision was to vote in a non pistol free zone. Again he did it because he could, not because he should.

My fear is that he will cause the majority to make it illegal for everyone to carry on school property. I actually WANT a LEO to carry on school property. I actually support properly trained personnel to have a gun in school in case of emergency/school shooting.

I repeat for the non readers. PROPERLY TRAINED. Not joe-bob the average American. I don't want the average stupid American anywhere near my kids with a gun.

Having a CPL does not make you intelligent or a good decision maker. Again, there is a reason for gun free zones.

If this guy can't make a simple common sense decision, no I hope this guy isn't the one trying to save my kids. He will probably cause collateral damage.
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Being an LEO does not automatically mean well trained or proficient in the use of firearms.
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but why not just leave it in the car while voting?
When i was at a school 2 punk kids broke into my truck and stole things..........

I find it ironic that he was just exercising his right to vote in the place he was instructed to go to.

The biggest problem here is what was he supposed to do, not carry all day due to a 5 minute voting session? or go home just to drop it off and come back out?
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I as well as my crowd spend well more time to become proficient and disciplined with our weapons than you do with a vehicle. I will guarantee that one.
If we are to look at the public as an example then lets look at alcohol. How many well educated as well as lesser educated men and women has that destroyed or affected?
Drugs are abused by all classes of people as well and lastly what about something as simple as cigarettes, how many people of all backgrounds and intellect smoke knowing it is not good to do or even suffer from cancer, copd, asthma but continue to do so.

So as a reference people and cars was a bad one.

We need to define who "your crowd" is?

If you are talking about close friends, I applaud you for being as proficient as possible with a weapon in order to avoid accidents. If you are talking about CPL supporters then I am one of "your crowd".

If we take a single moment in time, how many people have accidentally killed someone else with a single cigarette or 1 drink of alcohol?

Now how many people have killed someone else with a single bad decision in car or a single shot of a gun?

I'll keep my reference to cars. I believe it is valid because I don't feel most people can operate a car proficiently either. Too many bad decision makers in the American public.

It is my opinion, but I believe the only person that should step onto school property with a gun should be authorized properly trained personnel of the school and LEOs, not every CPL holder.
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Is leaving the gun in a locked car a good idea? It was better than the one he made carrying into the school. The correct decision was to vote in a non pistol free zone. Again he did it because he could, not because he should.
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When i was at a school 2 punk kids broke into my truck and stole things..........

I find it ironic that he was just exercising his right to vote in the place he was instructed to go to.

The biggest problem here is what was he supposed to do, not carry all day due to a 5 minute voting session? or go home just to drop it off and come back out?

Because you quoted one of my posts after not reading it.
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Again, there is a reason for gun free zones.
What is the reason?


Other than "It's for the kids", because that's how you pass anything in politics these days, don't you know.
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First off. I'm a gun supporter. You are also making assumptions on my post.

Yes, my opinion is he carried into school because he could, not because he should.

Is leaving the gun in a locked car a good idea? It was better than the one he made carrying into the school. The correct decision was to vote in a non pistol free zone. Again he did it because he could, not because he should.

My fear is that he will cause the majority to make it illegal for everyone to carry on school property. I actually WANT a LEO to carry on school property. I actually support properly trained personnel to have a gun in school in case of emergency/school shooting.

I repeat for the non readers. PROPERLY TRAINED. Not joe-bob the average American. I don't want the average stupid American anywhere near my kids with a gun.

Having a CPL does not make you intelligent or a good decision maker. Again, there is a reason for gun free zones.

If this guy can't make a simple common sense decision, no I hope this guy isn't the one trying to save my kids. He will probably cause collateral damage.
What assumptions did I make?
Yes he carried because he could. Reason enough. The decision for you is to vote in a non-pistol free zone not him. With that being said it is exactly the argument you pose that hurts not helps us.
Stop being in fear and going the damn cause with something other than post on an off-road site.

Why does the average individual have to be a "joe-bob" or other negative slur instead of the average person? With that one statement you make everyone look like an inbred, sheep screwing hill jack.(steveo)

Having a cpl makes you no more or less intelligent than the next person. Using your head does and I would rather have a mother or father, brother or sister with minimal training defending my child with emotion and concern than to not allow them to carry just because it is a school.

Bad people do bad things because they know that the majority of society will follow words printed or displayed and due to that they know where and when to carry out the crimes they commit. It is an educated guess on their behalf that says the sign says no guns I am safe to --------- here.
On the other hand one determined mother with a child in danger there's or not can do amazing things with little skill.

A cpl says you met the minimum requirements not that you are smart or not just that you at the time are not a felon or wanted or insane. I will take my chances that if needed a parent or bystander in a school shooting will do the right thing and try to stop the threat not words printed on a sheet of paper taped to a window.

How many women are beaten or killed each year from domestic violence even though they had a Personal Protection Order (PPO) ? Someone intend on doing harm does not stop at paper or words.
So take your false sense of security from PFZs and enjoy it. You obviously have more faith than I do in the ability of words to stop crime.
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What is the reason?


Other than "It's for the kids", because that's how you pass anything in politics these days, don't you know.

Because I don't want the average dumb ass near my kids with a gun.

I believe accidents can happen and we should do our best to eliminate them where our children are involved.
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Because I don't want the average dumb ass near my kids with a gun.

I believe accidents can happen and we should do our best to eliminate them where our children are involved.

I'm going to assume that your child is over 18 and voted yesterday, from this statement.
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We need to define who "your crowd" is?

If you are talking about close friends, I applaud you for being as proficient as possible with a weapon in order to avoid accidents. If you are talking about CPL supporters then I am one of "your crowd".

If we take a single moment in time, how many people have accidentally killed someone else with a single cigarette or 1 drink of alcohol?

Now how many people have killed someone else with a single bad decision in car or a single shot of a gun?

I'll keep my reference to cars. I believe it is valid because I don't feel most people can operate a car proficiently either. Too many bad decision makers in the American public.

It is my opinion, but I believe the only person that should step onto school property with a gun should be authorized properly trained personnel of the school and LEOs, not every CPL holder.
My crowd of people are everyday hard working Americans the average "Joe-Bob" as you would say.
LEO's
Military past and present
Cpl holders that enjoy there rights
My family and myself that expend approximately 60,000 rounds each and every single year in organized events, impromptu target shooting, hunting and mostly just enjoying ourselves. So if you wish to categorize the public as "Joe-Bob" just know it is John Q. public I associate on level or another with.

People demonize weapons because it is easy, and by weapon I refer to firearms only not the average everyday weapons that kill someone every single day of the year such as:
knives,
forks,
spoons,
toothbrushes,
rulers broken and sharpened or just broken,
bats,
hokey sticks,
golf clubs,
glass of all sorts,
lamps,
ashtrays,
rocks,
sticks,
coat hangers,
pieces of wire,
I will assume you get the idea by now.
Anything and everything can and has become a weapon.
And yes they can and have killed and all that took was a single bad decision to use your words.
The firearm makes killing or injuring a distant event you do not need to look your opponent in the eye to use it so yes it gets used by cowards, bullies, and the weaker set to commit crimes and therefor it receives the most attention.

My wife being small of height and slight of build heaven help you if you try to injure her kids not because of the firearm she carries but because of determination and a willingness to prevail over crime. Give me her in a school over an armed guard or LEO any day. Leo's run in because of a duty and courage a parent runs in out of love and courage.
I speak from experience give me the parent.
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Your not susposto carry in a bar either but people still do. The person is a idiot for doing it. But, I am sure it is not the first time the person did it. It may just have noticed this time by some (fill in the blank) soccer mom.
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What is the reason?


Other than "It's for the kids", because that's how you pass anything in politics these days, don't you know.
Unfortunately very true.
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I'm going to assume that your child is over 18 and voted yesterday, from this statement.
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My family and myself that expend approximately 60,000 rounds each and every single year in organized events, impromptu target shooting, hunting and mostly just enjoying ourselves.
Wow, that sounds expensive.
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Your parts are free just for that.

Free parts were not my intention,............but I will accept.

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Wow, that sounds expensive.
Thank god or whoever that my wife shoots with us and helps to reload right along side of our son and myself. I have 5 different reloading presses and they do get used that is for sure. But yes it does eat away some of the bank account.
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What assumptions did I make?
Yes he carried because he could. Reason enough. The decision for you is to vote in a non-pistol free zone not him. With that being said it is exactly the argument you pose that hurts not helps us.
Stop being in fear and going the damn cause with something other than post on an off-road site.

What? I'm supposed to change my opinion because it is not yours? I'm an idiot and a cause of the problem because don't I share your opinion? Try again.
I'm mostly on yours side on pro gun/cpl. You're too worked up at the moment to actually read my posts and their intended comments. I want guns in schools. Just not the CPL holders with the "minimum training" as you put it.

This guy has actually brought negative attention to CPL holders.

Why does the average individual have to be a "joe-bob" or other negative slur instead of the average person? With that one statement you make everyone look like an inbred, sheep screwing hill jack.(steveo)

Joe-bob is just a term I use to describe the average person. I will change it because it seems to make you unnecessarily worked up and is taking away from this debate.

Having a cpl makes you no more or less intelligent than the next person. Using your head does and I would rather have a mother or father, brother or sister with minimal training defending my child with emotion and concern than to not allow them to carry just because it is a school.

This is your opinion. My opinion is that this person who is firing a gun with minimum training and their emotions is going to accidentally shoot the wrong person.

Bad people do bad things because they know that the majority of society will follow words printed or displayed and due to that they know where and when to carry out the crimes they commit. It is an educated guess on their behalf that says the sign says no guns I am safe to --------- here.
On the other hand one determined mother with a child in danger there's or not can do amazing things with little skill.

She can also kill someone elses child with her gun and have to live with that the rest of her life. She can carry all she wants outside the school. I AM PRO CPL.

A cpl says you met the minimum requirements not that you are smart or not just that you at the time are not a felon or wanted or insane. I will take my chances that if needed a parent or bystander in a school shooting will do the right thing and try to stop the threat not words printed on a sheet of paper taped to a window.

How many women are beaten or killed each year from domestic violence even though they had a Personal Protection Order (PPO) ? Someone intend on doing harm does not stop at paper or words.
So take your false sense of security from PFZs and enjoy it. You obviously have more faith than I do in the ability of words to stop crime.

Read my posts. I WANT SOMEONE WITH A GUN ON SCHOOL PROPERTY. I just want them properly trained.
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