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Old February 24th, 2012, 04:16 PM   #1
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Default new to full width... picked up a 44.

so... ive been reading on and off, debating on whether or not to keep my 30 in my cherokee or not. a deal came my way and i jumped on a HP44. what i picked up:

HD housing (has the ribs)
1/2" axle tubes
trussed
3/4 ton flat top knuckles/outers
spare shafts
4.10s and LSD

not the BS cast wedges...

it came out of a cherokee, but i plan to strip everything and redo it better, keeping the truss of course. ive been researching on how to turn it into 1/2 ton, and have it figured out, but wonder about keeping it 3/4 ton seeing as i already have most of the parts, and flat top knuckles. i also have many more questions (that im sure i am forgetting and will post up when i remember).

- can i run a 15" rim with 3/4 ton stuff?
- what rears could i use to match the 8 bolt front?

i have moabs, and plan to sell get rid of them this summer for some cheap 15s. that way i can buy myself a nice 33" AT for the road. id like to simply by new wheels when the full widths go in, and run the 4.10s with 33s on the road. for offroading, ill look into buying something bigger to swap on and off (in the 35-36" range) for wheeling, but realistically my jeep sees a lot of road miles. i think itd be easier for me and my wallet just to use the parts that i have, but dont see the need for an 8 bolt rear rock anchor for the tires i plan to run.

- is there a big price difference between a 5 lug and 8 lug rear end?
- thoughts?
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Old February 24th, 2012, 04:57 PM   #2
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you are running a HP 44 on 33's?

That just seems like a lot of work for not much gain. You still have the same u-joints as your 30 and just added a lot of weight and work.

but to answer you question, it depends on how the 44 was put together. When I did mine, i started with flat top knuckles. They were the chevy 6 bold knuckles (to spindle not wheels). I had 5 lug (or what you call 1/2 ton) hubs and spindles. The brakes were chevy 1/2 ton calipers with the chevy mounts. This will fit into a 15" steel wheel if you grind the caliper a bit. its very close.

When I went 1 ton rear 60 with 8 lug, I just used new hubs and rotors. everything else stayed the same and I had 8 lugs. I had to find the right rotors to fit so I can keep the 1/2 ton brakes but they are out there. I can't remember what they were from but I just went in with a tape measure and just started checking at the parts store.

If you have ford knuckles and spindles, than its a whole different story
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Old February 24th, 2012, 05:22 PM   #3
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you are running a HP 44 on 33's?

That just seems like a lot of work for not much gain. You still have the same u-joints as your 30 and just added a lot of weight and work.
temporary... im holding onto the idea of running the 4.10s and LSD that are in it on a 33, until i can justify a reagear, selectable locker, and bigger tires. i need new tires this summer, and the axle wont be going in until next. alloys and joints are in the works as well. 33s and a hp 44 are an intermediate stage. if the same joint and a added weight were a draw back of the 44, not many would do it. the way i see it, ill be able to add brackets to this 44 for cheaper than ill be able to regear and add a lunchbox to my 30, which is crapping out. in the process i can adjust the many problems i have with my 30:
- crap steering geometry
- crap brakes
- no lock outs
- after adding shafts and quality Ujoints, the ring and pinion essentially becomes the weak link.





ford should be 5 bolts on the spindles right? does that mean that these are chevy and i can throw on the small bearing chevy spindle and run ford hubs rotors for 5 on 5.5? a buddy of mine with all ford stuff on his 44 put some extra lock outs in the hub, and they appeared to fit. i was under the impression, that 3/4 ton and 1/2 ton hubs were different sizes.

das confused... my 44 is a lot of odd parts thrown together if feel.

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Old February 24th, 2012, 05:49 PM   #4
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Start reading here, there is tons of info.
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44 u joints are the weak link. Ask me how I know. Oh, and ball joints suck don't Dick. If its not going in for another year buy a 60, do it once and be done.
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yes those are chevy flat tops. chevy 3/4 and 1/2 ton are the same knuckles and brakes. I think ford 3/4 and 1/2 are different and there is where the problem lies.

I'm willing to bet if thats a HP44 its from a ford and if it has those knuckles on it, someone already did the spindle swap. You would only need hubs and rotors (thats if you already have the rest of the stuff there).

You can then put your brackets on there and use a wheel spacer/adapter to make the rear wider and 5x5.5 at the same time to match the front. Get some cheep wheels and call it good for now.

Edit: Oh and if you do use these and have it part. Take the time to grind the hole in the knuckle that the shafts pass though in two spots to make it a bit of an oval. When you brake a shaft/u-joint, you will thank me LOL. The shafts just barley fit in there now when they are not bent and the ears split apart. Its a bitch to grind that out with a shaft in there LOL.
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Start reading here, there is tons of info.
Mr. N is the man.
http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/web_rs44.html
ive stared at that page a million times... the more i look at it, the more i do learn though.

im almost certain that i have chevy/fsj flat tops now...

i have spindles, caliper mounts, disks and 8 lug hubs. a buddy brought over his lock outs (his 44 is all ford) and they seemed to fit in the 8 lug hubs. this makes me think i have the chevy small bearing spindles with an 8 lug ford hub.

EDIT: that doesnt make sense, as i also read that hte ford 8 lug hub was bigger. its got to be a chevy 8 lug hub.... which would make the disk... chevy as well?

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all 44 lockouts are the same. FSJ, Chevy, Ford. All same. That does not tell you the bearing in the hub.



you need the small bearing one to use ford hubs.
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all 44 lockouts are the same. FSJ, Chevy, Ford. All same. That does not tell you the bearing in the hub.



you need the small bearing one to use ford hubs.
I have a dana 44 in the back of my truck with bigger lockouts on it. Its a 76 f250 ford LP Dana 44.
The lockouts look like dana 60 lockouts they is pretty big.
there are 2 sizes of lockouts.
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I have a dana 44 in the back of my truck with bigger lockouts on it. Its a 76 f250 ford LP Dana 44.
The lockouts look like dana 60 lockouts they is pretty big.
there are 2 sizes of lockouts.
I stand corrected. I have only known of one size. I know some look bigger but are the same.
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Read this also of you haven't http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/axle/xjupgrades/
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And http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthrea...t=crash+sticky
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im pretty confident i have the small bearing spindles, but ill have to double check.
once i verify that, what bearings do i get to run the ford hub?
im going to be using the ford rotor too, i assume?

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so after a look to make sure. i have the large bearing spindles. which makes sense with the 8 lug pattern. so i need the small bearing spindles. what bearings do i need? is there three total, two wheel bearings and the inner spindle?



ford rotors and hubs... correct?

the stub shafts i have are ford. will i need new ones running this setup?
model: long side - short side - stub shaft

F150: 18 29/32 - 33 29/32 - 9 23/32
F250: 18 5/8 - 34 3/4 - 10 21/32
Chevy: xxxxx - xxxxx - 9 15/16
FSJ: xxxxx - xxxxx - 9.93 (roughly 9 15/16)

obviously chevy is pass drop, and FSJ is a different width. but i i read on Mr.N's site to use the stub that matches the spindle. im assuming this is to make sure the snap ring fits? my axle came with all ford stuff... anyone running ford stubs on chevy knuckles? my axle has 1/2 axle tubes, and the HD housing, how can i verify that its not from a F250?
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