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Old February 14th, 2012, 10:06 PM   #121
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And your point is?
People that don't have a family doctor use the hospital's emergency rooms as the place to go when they are sick.
Medicaid is for the poor and run by the government
Medicaid is such a mess because it is run by the government
Do you really think things will get any better if Obama gets his way and forces his form of health care on the American people?
If you think you have to wait now to see a doctor or get attention in case of a real emergency.
What do you think will happen to the system when it is overloaded with millions of more people?
Doctors will not accept any new paitients and hospitals will be swamped. In turn health care will be rationed and limited just as it is in Canada.
Socialized medicine would bankrupt this country just as it is doing to Canada.
Anything the government gets into costs 10 times more than if it was run by the private sector. The government knows how to waste tax dollars. Look at the mess this country is in right now. 15 trillion dollars in debt and rising
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Old February 14th, 2012, 10:28 PM   #122
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Number of threads like this: 18962691

Number of people that changed their mind or ideals because of one of these threads: 0
Actually, I can tell you that my viewpoint has become a bit more liberal in some things and more conservative in other due to some of the threads on here. BUT, for the most part, you are right.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 06:07 AM   #123
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This is where I, as a Pro-lifer, would say Consciousness or not, It's still life. .
And I totally respect that view. Personally, I'm no better a judge than anyone else to say when life starts - I just know how I feel about an individual's rights: (to me) the mother has more rights than a few week old embryo. I have no business telling someone what they can or can't do to their body.

Just like I cannot tell you I *know* there is *not* a god - I don't know, but that shouldn't allow me to discount your views as wrong just because they don't match mine.

I completely understand the "Christian" viewpoint of "Life begins at conception", but I've also heard many of the same folks say "God willing" or "God has his reasons" as if he is manipulating things for a greater good or toward an end we're not able to comprehend.

Serious question / thought provoker here: What if God is leading these abortions out of a sense of mercy? The soul of an aborted child may be given another chance in another womb of a mother that will love and care for her newborn and provide a good life.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 06:15 AM   #124
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Curious Scoots... in your opinion, when does life start?

I can't quote a source, but I've heard that there's been research, that shows that there is consciousness in a pre-air breathing birth.
Nick - that's the problem I face when I read debates like this: I don't know. And, based upon not being sure about this - I don't think I have the right to tell someone what they can do with their own body. I'm also not thrilled with the idea of killing a child in the womb. I'm much more "Pro-contraception" than anything else.

Personally, I think it would be acceptable to sterilize a couple post-abortion; bringing life into the world is a gift, fuck it up and lose that gift.
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Nick - that's the problem I face when I read debates like this: I don't know. And, based upon not being sure about this - I don't think I have the right to tell someone what they can do with their own body. I'm also not thrilled with the idea of killing a child in the womb. I'm much more "Pro-contraception" than anything else.

Personally, I think it would be acceptable to sterilize a couple post-abortion; bringing life into the world is a gift, fuck it up and lose that gift.
I wish more people felt like that.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 06:55 AM   #126
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I still say we don't need anymore people around.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 07:20 AM   #127
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Personally, I think it would be acceptable to sterilize a couple post-abortion; bringing life into the world is a gift, fuck it up and lose that gift.
The majority of women that get abortions are not young and want kids later in life. Its women that are older, who know the difficulty of having a unwanted child. So this would do lttle to curb abortions.
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The majority of women that get abortions are not young and want kids later in life. Its women that are older, who know the difficulty of having a unwanted child. So this would do lttle to curb abortions.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, but knowing you'll never be able to reproduce after an abortion (for both mother and father), I'd bet you would see a hell of a lot less pregnancies - and certainly those not smart enough to be safe wouldn't ever make the same mistake again. Do you have any date that shows the distribution of age vs. abortion / unwanted pregnancy?

Seriously - if your idea of getting pregnant by mistake went from "An uncomfortable few days spent visiting a clinic for cheap or free" to "A free vasectomy / hysterectomy" for fucking up, there would be a lot less abortions/murders.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 08:39 AM   #129
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I still say we don't need anymore people around.
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I took myself out of the gene pool on purpose. If we really think we need to have a rugrat running around the house, fucking things up, THERE ARE PLENTY OF KIDS OUT THERE THAT NEED A GOOD HOME - so we'll adopt a lil shit.
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The majority of women that get abortions are not young and want kids later in life. Its women that are older, who know the difficulty of having a unwanted child. So this would do lttle to curb abortions.
According to the CDC almost 1 in 3 of all abortions are commited on young girls UNDER THE AGE OF 15.
This is from the center of disease control. You can look it up for yourself. Or I can provide the link but it is real long. If you want it just ask.
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According to the CDC almost 1 in 3 of all abortions are commited on young girls UNDER THE AGE OF 15.
This is from the center of disease control. You can look it up for yourself. Or I can provide the link but it is real long. If you want it just ask.
Most of that problem is YOUNG BOYS, LOL.

Let them know there is an ultimate price to be paid for getting a girl pregnant, those numbers would drop.
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Most of that problem is YOUNG BOYS, LOL.

Let them know there is an ultimate price to be paid for getting a girl pregnant, those numbers would drop.
Actually I think the numbers are more related to rape.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 09:13 AM   #133
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I've actually been practicing a new form of contraception. After I have sex with a woman, I kill her so she wont get pregnant. Its been working quite well so far.
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You only can get a chick pregnant from 1/3 of your options. Is it really that hard for people to figure out?
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According to the CDC almost 1 in 3 of all abortions are commited on young girls UNDER THE AGE OF 15.
This is from the center of disease control. You can look it up for yourself. Or I can provide the link but it is real long. If you want it just ask.
Yes I would like to read that. I find this hard to believe in the USA. Maybe world wide but not in the USA.
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Most of that problem is YOUNG BOYS, LOL.

Let them know there is an ultimate price to be paid for getting a girl pregnant, those numbers would drop.
At 15 I would of given up my ability to have kids to get a piece of pussy.
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The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. Participating hospitals may only transfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment under their own informed consent, after stabilization, or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment. [2]

This is eventually single payer. I do believe in 1986 Ronald Reagon was president.

You are supporting my point, that the goal of the governement is to get to a single payer system.

I really could care less which party or president is in the white house when the scam began or is completed. Both have the same goal...control.
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At 15 I would of given up my ability to have kids to get a piece of pussy.
Do you want kids now?
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Yes I would like to read that. I find this hard to believe in the USA. Maybe world wide but not in the USA.
Ok you asked for it

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5713a1.htm
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Instead of starting new thread Ithought I would put this here seeing as it has to do with Obamacare and the forcing of it on the people

http://campaign2012.washingtonexamin...amacare/376561
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