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Old February 9th, 2012, 10:20 PM   #21
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There's a difference between your employer (i.e. an individual) enforcing their personal beliefs and working FOR an organization like the Catholic (or Baptist, Muslim, Jewish, Wiccan, etc...) church.

Nobody would raise an eyebrow if a Muslim organization wouldn't allow pork in their cafeteria, the UAW doesn't allow Kias in their parking lot, or PETA frowns on wearing fur to their offices. Organizations have culture - and it matters.
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I think the real question here is: Should your employer be forced to pay for your health benefits?

The correct answer is: Hell No!
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Old February 9th, 2012, 11:12 PM   #23
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There's a difference between your employer (i.e. an individual) enforcing their personal beliefs and working FOR an organization like the Catholic (or Baptist, Muslim, Jewish, Wiccan, etc...) church.

Nobody would raise an eyebrow if a Muslim organization wouldn't allow pork in their cafeteria, the UAW doesn't allow Kias in their parking lot, or PETA frowns on wearing fur to their offices. Organizations have culture - and it matters.
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As far as a Catholic hospital goes, they are providing a service correct? Is it not completely up to them for what thief service entails?
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Old February 9th, 2012, 11:27 PM   #24
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Example(s) of an employer imposing their religious principals on a person's benefits please. If no examples, the thread is just another way to start an argument.
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Old February 9th, 2012, 11:32 PM   #25
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It is not alone about government run health care it has to do with religious freedom and the attack of it by this administration. Lara Ingram has a word on it.

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Old February 10th, 2012, 08:04 AM   #26
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Hitler has his holocaust and that was desencitizing the youth of a nation to rise up and wipe out more than 6 million jews.
This country is desencitizing the people of this nation to the holocaust of abortion. Since roe vs wade bacame law of the land we have allowed the murder of more than 50 million babies.
We have been programed to think that the pill is ok. Then they come up with the morning after pill. Abortion up to 8 months.
We allow the government to create laws that condon murder of the youth of this nation because they have convinced so many that it is a womens choice to commit murder.
I found a short clip about the comparison of the holocaust and abortion.
Something tells me one of your hobbies is driving around a box truck with pictures of aborted fetuses on it during public events.
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Old February 10th, 2012, 08:30 AM   #27
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Hitler has his holocaust and that was desencitizing the youth of a nation to rise up and wipe out more than 6 million jews.
This country is desencitizing the people of this nation to the holocaust of abortion. Since roe vs wade bacame law of the land we have allowed the murder of more than 50 million babies.
We have been programed to think that the pill is ok. Then they come up with the morning after pill. Abortion up to 8 months.
We allow the government to create laws that condon murder of the youth of this nation because they have convinced so many that it is a womens choice to commit murder.
I found a short clip about the comparison of the holocaust and abortion.

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Hmm, I wonder what our country be like with 50 million extra people running around who were raised by people who didn't want to have a kid, but were forced into it. Not to mention, how many would be running around if we had no access to evil contraception...It would probably be LOT better, right?
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Hmm, I wonder what our country be like with 50 million extra people running around who were raised by people who didn't want to have a kid, but were forced into it. Not to mention, how many would be running around if we had no access to evil contraception...It would probably be LOT better, right?
The bible beaters will tell you there are all sorts of other options to abortion, like adoption. Because I'm sure since RvsW there have been 50 million couples that want to adopt babies, that probably had a good majority of neglect in utero, willing to shell out the $20k a pop for adoption.
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Old February 10th, 2012, 09:05 AM   #29
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The bible beaters will tell you there are all sorts of other options to abortion, like adoption. Because I'm sure since RvsW there have been 50 million couples that want to adopt babies, that probably had a good majority of neglect in utero, willing to shell out the $20k a pop for adoption.
Word up homie!! I hate pro lifers.
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Word up homie!! I hate pro lifers.
True dat.

I am definitely anti-pro life for sure. I feel the choice should be yours to make. If it really is wrong, and all the bible beaters are on to something, and there really is a guy in the sky the day will come where you pay for those decisions.

I can't say though that I am pro abortion. That would be a bit morbid I guess.

But I can't say I'm 100% pro choice either because I believe there should be some bit of morality and responsibility to not use abortion as birth control.

I guess I would consider myself "pro do whatever the fukc you feel you need to do as long as it doesn't impact me in anyway" Because, unlike the bible beater fucks that live in glass houses and think they should tell people how to live their lives I have better things to do with my time.
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Old February 10th, 2012, 09:52 AM   #31
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Something tells me one of your hobbies is driving around a box truck with pictures of aborted fetuses on it during public events.
No I don't drive around in a box truck and advertise. That is one way to get the word out. The way to bringing an end to abortion is to start with the kids in schools and colleges, universities.
Hitler brainwashed a generation of racists and we all know what happened in Germany towards the jews, they slaughtered them.

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Hmm, I wonder what our country be like with 50 million extra people running around who were raised by people who didn't want to have a kid, but were forced into it. Not to mention, how many would be running around if we had no access to evil contraception...It would probably be LOT better, right?
Well lets say for starters it could be job security for you as a teacher to taech children.
Adoption, but in your view it is an inconvenence either way you look at it.
I am glad I don't have a child in your class. Are'nt you gald yo mamma decided to keep you?

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The bible beaters will tell you there are all sorts of other options to abortion, like adoption. Because I'm sure since RvsW there have been 50 million couples that want to adopt babies, that probably had a good majority of neglect in utero, willing to shell out the $20k a pop for adoption.
Do yo know how many babies are adopted from outside the US by couples that cannot get a baby here? The baby did nothing to deserve the penalty of death.

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Old February 10th, 2012, 10:46 AM   #32
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I am glad I don't have a child in your class.

I am, as well.

Are you against contraception, too?

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Old February 10th, 2012, 11:30 AM   #33
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I am, as well.

Are you against contraception, too?
He's not the catholic church so it doesn't really matter in this thread . . . why are you engaging him to go off the wall and change the topic which is what you bitch about in all his other threads??
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This is about the government attempting to take away yet another freedom. It is about the strong arm of Obamacare forcing his mandate on every American in this country except the 5million or so waivers he granted to his followers.
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Hmm, I wonder what our country be like with 50 million extra people running around who were raised by people who didn't want to have a kid, but were forced into it. Not to mention, how many would be running around if we had no access to evil contraception...It would probably be LOT better, right?
Hitler thought the same about the jews
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I personally believe that abortion is wrong, but I am not going to impose my beilefs on others. If you are a christian then you shouldn't be judging others for their "sins", it's not your place. How you equate abortion to the holocaust is disgusting.
But this conversation is about whether or not an employer can define the offerings of it's health care coverage. I feel the same about this as I do people who bitch about having to work unpaid overtime, having to be on call, or being unhappy about any number of things that are part of their job responsiblities. If you don't like something your job requires or offers then get a new job.
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Hitler thought the same about the jews
You keep bringing up Hitler like he didn't consider himself a Christian, or try to impose his personal beliefs upon a nation.
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I'm glad I was concived by two people, in a loveing relationship and finacial stable, and were able to raise me presenting a united front and unwavering dissaplin. If I was eased like steveo or Aj hall I would wish my mom offed me before I knew wtf crack was.
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I personally believe that abortion is wrong, but I am not going to impose my beilefs on others. If you are a christian then you shouldn't be judging others for their "sins", it's not your place. How you equate abortion to the holocaust is disgusting.
But this conversation is about whether or not an employer can define the offerings of it's health care coverage. I feel the same about this as I do people who bitch about having to work unpaid overtime, having to be on call, or being unhappy about any number of things that are part of their job responsiblities. If you don't like something your job requires or offers then get a new job.
Yes abortion is wrong. I am a Christian and I don't beleive I am judging when I say abortion is murder. Who else will speak for the little ones that have no say?
Abortion is America's holocaust. The extermination of the jews was Germany's holocaust. The one difference is we killed more of our young than Hitler did to the jews.
All the people that are silent in abortion or give the excuse it is a womens right, etc. are guilty of partaking in the death of millions of babies.
The health care you take about has everything to do with tax payer funded healthcare for abortion, contraception and so on. It is about the government forcing people to pay for something they do not want but others may.
As of today Obama has given up on his employer mandate to do with contraception.

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You keep bringing up Hitler like he didn't consider himself a Christian, or try to impose his personal beliefs upon a nation.
Hitler was not a Christian and he controlled the youth of that nation to rise and think they were a better race of people and needed to wipe out the jews.
Jesus was a jew. If he was a Christian then he would not have killed the jewish people. You need to look up your history my friend.
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Interesting how abortion has become one of the few things where people can be against it, yet be ok with other people doing it. A human fetus is a very small person, and abortion refers to killing it, the very small person. And your against it.... Obviously.... But you don't want to 'force your beliefs' on other people.

You will call the cops if you see somebody abusing a dog, because your against it... Stealing a car stereo, beating their kid, etc.

I'm not religious and I don't care about other peoples kids. I'm just curious where this concept came from
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