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Old February 16th, 2012, 01:36 PM   #1
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If he thinks he's so smart than he should figure out something to do with all of the unwanted kids that would be running around if abortion were outlawed.

Also, why do right to lifers stop giving a shit once the kid is born? They want to outlaw abortion and also cut social programs that would help people who can't afford to have kids. I don't get it.
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Because the people that cant afford to have kids, shouldnt have kids. Plan and simple!
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Because the people that cant afford to have kids, shouldnt have kids. Plan and simple!
Plan and simple! God it just makes so much sense. Accidental pregnancy, rape. These things never happen because we live in a perfect world. Grow up.
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I wasn't talking about rape, rape is a completely different concept. But accidental pregnancy is something that can be avoided. You have condoms, day after pills, birth control ect. Do i believe in abortion, no, but under certain circumstances, such as rape, I believe it to be alright. If you are raped, i do not believe you should be liable to take care of it but I do think adoption is a better route than abortion though. I don't think teenagers or any adult that knew their consequences should be allowed abortion, as they are ways to prevent pregnancy.
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The point is that criminals on death row have more rights than the unborn. The inmate did something deserving of the death penalty, what did the baby do to deserve death?
The day after pill is aborting. See once the egg is fertilzed life begins. As for rape, the guy commits the crime and the baby gets the death penalty.
Somethings wrong with that, don't you think?
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I've never really say the day after pill as a form of abortion, but i see where you are coming from. As for rape, i dont really know what is right. I don't believe that a criminal in jail should have more rights than and unborn baby, but also don't think the female should be responsible to care for the child if she was raped. The only thing i know, is the man that raped her, deserves a bullet in the head.
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The point is that criminals on death row have more rights than the unborn. The inmate did something deserving of the death penalty, what did the baby do to deserve death?
The day after pill is aborting. See once the egg is fertilzed life begins. As for rape, the guy commits the crime and the baby gets the death penalty.
Somethings wrong with that, don't you think?
Aren't you the person running around bitching that everyones freedoms are being removed? But you then advocate the removal of more of them.

Please, STFU.
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Aren't you the person running around bitching that everyones freedoms are being removed? But you then advocate the removal of more of them.

Please, STFU.
I am not bitching about it, but making a point. If you do not stand up for your rights they will be removed one by one.
Maybe you could tell me about the ones i am advocating for the removal of.
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I've never really say the day after pill as a form of abortion, but i see where you are coming from. As for rape, i dont really know what is right. I don't believe that a criminal in jail should have more rights than and unborn baby, but also don't think the female should be responsible to care for the child if she was raped. The only thing i know, is the man that raped her, deserves a bullet in the head.
It is a baby that the women would carry and it would be up to her if she would keep the baby or give it up for adoption. The pregnency would remind her of the rape, but is that a good enough reason to take the life of the baby?
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No, it is not. if you would recall one of my earlier post, i mentioned that i would rather see the baby go up for adaption if they could not afford to give it a decent life. If its a teenage girl, lets say 14-16, would you want to see her in pain having a baby that she didn't conceive with her consent? What if this was your daughter? Would you want to watch her during labor trying to push out a baby?

I don't know what its feels like to have a baby coming out of my personal parts, and never will, but it looks fucking painful. A full grown adult screams and cry's in pain and i cant even begin to imagine what it feels like to a 14 yr old girl. If that 14 yr old girl decides to go through with it, more power to her, and if she decides to either raise it or put it up for adoption, more power to her! that's great. But if she doesn't think she could make it through the pain, than let her have an abortion.

Abortion is a freedom, yes, it takes away the life of a baby that deserves to live. But i also believe that abortion is over used now-a-days. Teenagers and adults think that they can just have unprotected sex whenever they like, and if they fertilize an egg, then they can just go to the local abortion clinic and get it snipped. I believe this is wrong. The population of the United States is growing and the average household income is decreasing. So if you cannot afford to have a baby, then take the appropriate measures not to have one. If you conceive a baby, which you cannot afford with your current income, then you find a better job, you sell some of your luxury items, you stop going out for dinner, you sell your house, and move into an apartment, you don't just kill the baby because you don't want to lose all your valuable goods.

Yes i know i probably contradicted myself 100 times in those few paragraphs, but i have mixed feelings about abortion. Honestly, i could give a flying fukc if a poor bitch gets pregnant and has an abortion, because its just one more soul us tax payers don't have to pay for in welfare and WIC. Does the baby deserve to be killed...NO... but do us tax payers deserve to feed yet another human because of some useless fucks that thought it'd be fun to have sex instead of finding a job? No, i don't believe that's fair, but life is not fair
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No, it is not. if you would recall one of my earlier post, i mentioned that i would rather see the baby go up for adaption if they could not afford to give it a decent life. If its a teenage girl, lets say 14-16, would you want to see her in pain having a baby that she didn't conceive with her consent? What if this was your daughter? Would you want to watch her during labor trying to push out a baby?

I don't know what its feels like to have a baby coming out of my personal parts, and never will, but it looks fucking painful. A full grown adult screams and cry's in pain and i cant even begin to imagine what it feels like to a 14 yr old girl. If that 14 yr old girl decides to go through with it, more power to her, and if she decides to either raise it or put it up for adoption, more power to her! that's great. But if she doesn't think she could make it through the pain, than let her have an abortion.

Abortion is a freedom, yes, it takes away the life of a baby that deserves to live. But i also believe that abortion is over used now-a-days. Teenagers and adults think that they can just have unprotected sex whenever they like, and if they fertilize an egg, then they can just go to the local abortion clinic and get it snipped. I believe this is wrong. The population of the United States is growing and the average household income is decreasing. So if you cannot afford to have a baby, then take the appropriate measures not to have one. If you conceive a baby, which you cannot afford with your current income, then you find a better job, you sell some of your luxury items, you stop going out for dinner, you sell your house, and move into an apartment, you don't just kill the baby because you don't want to lose all your valuable goods.

Yes i know i probably contradicted myself 100 times in those few paragraphs, but i have mixed feelings about abortion. Honestly, i could give a flying fukc if a poor bitch gets pregnant and has an abortion, because its just one more soul us tax payers don't have to pay for in welfare and WIC. Does the baby deserve to be killed...NO... but do us tax payers deserve to feed yet another human because of some useless fucks that thought it'd be fun to have sex instead of finding a job? No, i don't believe that's fair, but life is not fair
Actually in earlier times girls did have children younger and were more responsible to. If my duaghter was to have a baby yes I would be there for her and yes help her raise the child also.
We are talking about a life, human life, not a puppy, cat or a whale.
Society is becoming so desensitized that people think nothing of throwing babies in the trash.
You talk about the pain a women would go through giving birth, which is painful. I watched my 1st wife give birth to my two children.
Do you know how a baby is aborted? It is a baby that feels pain just like you or me maybe more.
If your not sure google it.
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I actually have no idea how an abortion is done nor how much pain a baby feels during an abortion, and quite frankly, have no need to Google it. I know that a baby is not a puppy, cat or a whale, But a puppy, cat, and whale all deserve the respect that a human gets. I am no way affiliated with PETA either. A dog does not deserve to go to the pound to be put down, because the family cant afford it, just as a baby should not have its life taken by a similar family. The family of the dog should have never got the dog in the first place, and the people with the baby should've never gotten pregnant. What I do believe though, is that people have to take responsibility for their actions. I agree with you, and always will about how society is becoming desensitized. People are becoming inconsiderate assholes. And the number of desensitized Americans will continue to increase until someone does something.

I see abortion as a tool that should only be used by teenagers, who are not strong enough to go through labor. A teenager doesn't have the nutrition to support a child while it is growing inside her. A baby that makes it through labor, is drastically smaller in size, and more prone to getting ill. The females pelvic bone is also not at full size until around the age of 18, so the risk of the female getting sick is also drastically more. Should a teenager have to risk her life, to save the life of a baby that she conceived during rape?
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Is this part 2 of the other thread?
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I actually have no idea how an abortion is done nor how much pain a baby feels during an abortion, and quite frankly, have no need to Google it. I know that a baby is not a puppy, cat or a whale, But a puppy, cat, and whale all deserve the respect that a human gets. I am no way affiliated with PETA either. A dog does not deserve to go to the pound to be put down, because the family cant afford it, just as a baby should not have its life taken by a similar family. The family of the dog should have never got the dog in the first place, and the people with the baby should've never gotten pregnant. What I do believe though, is that people have to take responsibility for their actions. I agree with you, and always will about how society is becoming desensitized. People are becoming inconsiderate assholes. And the number of desensitized Americans will continue to increase until someone does something.

I see abortion as a tool that should only be used by teenagers, who are not strong enough to go through labor. A teenager doesn't have the nutrition to support a child while it is growing inside her. A baby that makes it through labor, is drastically smaller in size, and more prone to getting ill. The females pelvic bone is also not at full size until around the age of 18, so the risk of the female getting sick is also drastically more. Should a teenager have to risk her life, to save the life of a baby that she conceived during rape?
I believe that if more people knew how abortions were done they would do more to put a stop to it. I will not say how it is done but will encourage you to look it up. You tube has plenty of clips about abortion and how it is preformed.

You would be surprised how and what the human body can endure and bounce back but its pretty difficult to come back from death.
Instead of promoting condom use they should be taught abstenance, wait until marriage.
The number of women to abort from rape is very low as in comparison to abortion because of inconvinence to the mother.
Abortion is the planned homicide of the unborn.
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Aren't you the person running around bitching that everyones freedoms are being removed? But you then advocate the removal of more of them.

Please, STFU.
So true. He does not want his freedoms messed with but he, and the rest of the anti-abortion crowd, wish to inflict their will on those that do not want it.
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Is this part 2 of the other thread?
Its a very touchy subject and not many people like to talk about it. I think most of it is that people are uninformed about the practice of abortion.
It's not right. It needs to stop.
This will be a major issue during this years elections. Obama went after this in his contraception and reproductive health issues and he has gotten alot of people upset about it.
There is a short clip on the internet called "180movie.com".
I would encourage you to take a few minutes and check it out. It is informing people about this problem we have in this country about the unborn and how they are thought of nothing more than trash.
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So true. He does not want his freedoms messed with but he, and the rest of the anti-abortion crowd, wish to inflict their will on those that do not want it.
Actually its Pro-life and Pro-abortion. You say "anti" to make it sound like the saving of a life is a bad thing.
What about the baby. I'm sure they don't want to die. Just as you treasure life. If somebody was to attempt to take your life, you would beg to keep it. Nobody in thier right mind would want to die.
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All of your arguments are valid, and have reasoning behind them. I understand everything you are saying, and where you are coming from. But there are certain circumstances where abortion should be accepted.

You are making it seems as if a baby know what life is! If i was inside my mommies womb right now, looking out at what i had to look forward to, i probably wouldn't want to come out. Majority of the babies that are lost during abortion comes from families that cant support them, and would have had a terrible life. Yes, they have the option of going up for adoption, and hopefully getting adopted by a well deserving family.

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All of your arguments are valid, and have reasoning behind them. I understand everything you are saying, and where you are coming from. But there are certain circumstances where abortion should be accepted.
I do agree with you. When it endagers the life of the mother and then the mother can make a choice.
Short story... A mother had cancer and when she found out that she was pregnent she stopped cance treatments to not affect the baby. The baby was born healthy....... She gave up her life so her baby would live. She died from cancer.
That is not being selfish and putting others before yourself, unto death.
Because it's not about this world and what is here.
As a Christian that is what I believe.

As per your edit: life is life whether you are born in India and live in the sewer or born in America and live in the inner city and grow up dirt poor.
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