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Old October 6th, 2006, 06:08 AM   #41
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Fuck it....I'm moving to Amsterdam.

As far as a gateway drug I also call Bullshit.....I experimented with a lot harder things than this BEFORE I was introduced to Pot. Pot is the only thing I still care to do.

Most of the others.......the up is not worth the down.

Oh hell....I just need to find me a cave system somewhere for sale :tonka:

Look Ma....no cataracs.....it must be working
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Old October 6th, 2006, 09:15 AM   #42
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marijuana is not a gateway drug. Thats crap and i am not a smoker. Its such twisting of numbers to gain false support to suppress marijuana legalization movement and worry ignorant parents. One you could say cigarettes are gatway drugs. Why ??well the kids that smoke in say 5th grade are seeking out anything to rebel anything to get high, they would smoke weed if they could, or harder its jsut a matter of what they can pull off or can afford as a 5th grader. You could say the same thing about rap/ hip hop, skateboarding, graffiti, etc. Does graffiti/taggers MAKE you smoke weed? Huff paint cans? You can find a high incindence of drug use in lots of segments doesnt mean IT LEAD to the drug use, just that that activity appeals to the same people. Its like saying matlock turns old ladys hair blue, or price is right gives you hemriods and make you hard of hearing. THOSE SHOWS APPEAL TO OLD people they dont make you old. Shuffle board gives old people arthritis too There is no such thing as a gateway drug. You either seek out drugs and have addicitive personality or you dont.

Same with the reading to your kids keeps them off drugs LOL nooooo, its involved parents who raise their kids to be self confident, who take their kids to the doctors, who love their kids etc, that helps reduce the likely hood your kid will be a self loathing self medicating druggie. Doesnt gurantee it, just like a distant abusive parent cant read to his kid once a week and not make him suicidal and tortured soul who wants to get high 24/7. I hate these tv ad campaigns

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Old October 6th, 2006, 10:55 AM   #43
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I think that there's a hullava lot of lobby money coming from beer and booze companies also. They want the monopoly on over the counter, "legal" mood alteration.
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Old October 6th, 2006, 12:24 PM   #44
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I've also heard rumors in the past that the government like alcohol more than pot because pot makes you mellow....alcohol makes you want to fight.....we don't want our military boys being too mellow :tonka:
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Old October 11th, 2006, 08:32 PM   #45
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Natural or not its got 3-5 times the amount of tar tobacco has in it.
But how much does a pack of smokes weigh (minus filters and box)? An ounce? Two?

Do you know anybody that smokes an ounce of the meanie greenie every day? I highly (hehe) doubt it.
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Old October 12th, 2006, 06:07 AM   #46
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I never thought of it that way......That's not very fair....their ounce only costs like $5....what the hell are they complaining about :tonka:
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Old October 19th, 2006, 09:12 PM   #47
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-Should be legalized, same laws should govern it as alcohol, 21+ to buy.
If people want to try it they can get their hands on it, it's not really that hard.

-For the people that bring up the "my neighbor is a complete pot head and only sits on his couch and looks like he's physically melting and he does " , well that is excessive use, same with excessive use of alcohol or tobacco, it's bad, moderation is the key.

-People think that if it is legalized everyone will get stoned and stop going to work, look at California it's working just well for them, and yes it is very very easy to get a medicinal card out there for it. Next month Nevada is voting on legalization also.

-Taxing it just like alcohol and tobacco will generate some more money for gov.

-And also the people such as the gov, and anti "drug" lobbiests and the such always ignore the fact that there are many many functional "pot heads" that don't let it effect thier lives may it be at work and at home. damn those responsible pot heads. same as people that don't let alcohol mess up their lives.

-and could you say holy cash crop batman, the north east, north west, south east and midwest would be prime locations for farmers, just think of the excellent crops farmers such as the ones up near traverse city that grow cherries and grapes for wine could do.

-with legalization and proper dispensaries will open the market up for name brand strains, which would allow for greater consistancy and safety from tainted weed.

-pot dealers wouldn't have any business, since they would have their black market being taken away, the money we could save from prosecuting and housing these people would be the biggest money saving factor.

-currently we are entering the RX age, it is easy for people to get their hands on scripts for legal drugs that actually are worse for you than weed, and it is commonly acceptable. Trust me, it's easy for young people to walk into the doc's and get adderal, rittlin, etc, it's long term effects are much worse than that of weed.

- it is not possible to OD on THC, unlike alcohol which results in many deaths each year from people drinking too much. You smoke too much you simply pass out in a blissful state, for people that don't handle being high well they simply don't smoke again, there are many people that are like this. Heck i can take 12 asprin and that will be the last headache i'll ever have.

-It is the only drug that large amounts of the medical community says that has benificial uses but yet politcal high ranking members of the FDA and gov even are still saying no to, even though their own research shows benificial use.

-not physically addictive like many RX pain killers, very useful for managing light pain instead of using RX painkillers

-Assists terminally ill paitents in eating and helps strengthen them and not end up being as suceptable to wasting, any one who has family members or have them self had to go through chemo see what the effects of not eating really does to people.

- it is classified as a schedule 1 drug, which means it has no medicinal use, cocain has a lower schedule and seen as having medicinal uses. Due to the gov putting weed in schedule 1 it prohibites testing and research.

- I don't think it would actually take any proffits away from any alcohol or tobacco companies, people that drink, smoke tobacco and smoke weed can attest that they all have a different effect, and the people using them want specific effects, and therefore use them all differently.

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Following info is widely available on the internet, and is being presented for informational purposes and etc legal mobojumbo

-you don't have to smoke cannabis to get it's effects, currently there are a wide range of products to assist you in not having to smoke it.
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-Vaporizors: these usually electric devices will heat the cannabis to the point that the THC will evaporate and be inhalled BEFOER the plant matter has a chance to combust. This is the method that many phsicians reconmend since you are getting only THC, not smoke. this also works for tobacco if you were interested.
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-Tinctures: THC is alcohol soiluble, that means you can grind it up, let it soak in alcohol, and extract the THC from the plant matter, strain off the plant matter, and all you are left with is a alcohol and THC mixture, these are also very effective was to administure a controled amount of THC, very usefull for medicinal purposes where you want a controlled amount, simply use a eye dropper and drop the proper amounts of drops onto your tounge or into your food to get the proper dosage, yet again not conbustion of plant matter.
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-Canni-butter: if you've ever eaten special brownies, or anything baked with THC this is the normal method. heat up butter or any saturated fat in a crock pot or sauce pan, added the amount of finely ground up cannabis, cannabis is also fat soiluble (thats how it remains in your system and how they can find it from urin tests) , you then strain the plant matter off let the butter cool and solidify. This is also a good way to get a measured amount of THC, you can also cook anything you normally would cook using butter with cannibutter.
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-Infused oils: you can also infuse olive oil the same way as butter with THC, and it allows you to substitute infused olive oil for any recipe calling for oilive oil. yet again, no combustion of plant matter and easy to control dosage.

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and in all reality i find it more apealing to sit down with a few friends have a beer, smoke a fatty, blunt, pinner, bowl, bong, etc than to hammer down a 5th.




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Old October 19th, 2006, 09:50 PM   #48
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-Following info is widely available on the internet, and is being presented for informational purposes and etc legal mobojumbo

-you don't have to smoke cannabis to get it's effects, currently there are a wide range of products to assist you in not having to smoke it.
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-Vaporizors: these usually electric devices will heat the cannabis to the point that the THC will evaporate and be inhalled BEFOER the plant matter has a chance to combust. This is the method that many phsicians reconmend since you are getting only THC, not smoke. this also works for tobacco if you were interested.
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-Tinctures: THC is alcohol soiluble, that means you can grind it up, let it soak in alcohol, and extract the THC from the plant matter, strain off the plant matter, and all you are left with is a alcohol and THC mixture, these are also very effective was to administure a controled amount of THC, very usefull for medicinal purposes where you want a controlled amount, simply use a eye dropper and drop the proper amounts of drops onto your tounge or into your food to get the proper dosage, yet again not conbustion of plant matter.
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-Canni-butter: if you've ever eaten special brownies, or anything baked with THC this is the normal method. heat up butter or any saturated fat in a crock pot or sauce pan, added the amount of finely ground up cannabis, cannabis is also fat soiluble (thats how it remains in your system and how they can find it from urin tests) , you then strain the plant matter off let the butter cool and solidify. This is also a good way to get a measured amount of THC, you can also cook anything you normally would cook using butter with cannibutter.
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-Infused oils: you can also infuse olive oil the same way as butter with THC, and it allows you to substitute infused olive oil for any recipe calling for oilive oil. yet again, no combustion of plant matter and easy to control dosage.
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i forget where it was being made but somewhere in the world i think you can get cani-beer. Beer with THC. Save my lungs and kill my liver please !
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Old October 19th, 2006, 09:51 PM   #49
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and also Canada with it's medicinal marijuana has been doing pretty well.
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Old October 19th, 2006, 09:53 PM   #50
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i forget where it was being made but somewhere in the world i think you can get cani-beer. Beer with THC. Save my lungs and kill my liver please !
not sure really with beer, beer has too low of an alcohol content in general to act as a usefull solvent. BUt adding a THC extract into it through other means wouldn't be that hard.

Hops and marijuana are actually very similar and in the same family.
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Old October 19th, 2006, 10:51 PM   #51
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welp. I didnt read the article. but heres my take.

If alcohol were just invented today it would be a schedule 2 controled substance.

In order for people to be elected they need to be tough on crime. Being tough on crime includes being tough on drug offenders. This is why pot will never be legalized.
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Old October 20th, 2006, 01:47 AM   #53
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My Whole Viewpoint........

Drugs such as Heroin and Cocaine have to be DERIVED from a plant, processed etc.
Crystal Meth has to be cooked, processed etc.

Marijuana is a naturally Growing plant, just like tobacco. And is used in the exact same fashion. You pick the leaves, dry them, smoke them, not too hard.
And Marijuana doesn't ADD anything like nicotine, tar, etc, all natural.


Anyways I strongly believe one of the reasons Pot will never be legalized is the simple fact that too many government officials, police officers etc are making too much money in pay-offs while it is illegal, and they do not want to lose that income
i was thinking about this and Alcohol is also a derived drug. While fermentation is a "natural" process the alcohol we drink is produced intentionally.

Honestly, from my experience I think alcohol is more of a "gateway drug" than pot. Alcohol has allways made me want to do more stupid stuff, pot has made me want to just melt into the wall.
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