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Old October 4th, 2006, 02:57 PM   #21
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I'm for legalization and taxation....no problem....it will quit all the drug nazi's from telling use we're contributing to terrorism by buying drugs. :
Isn't that more for morphine/heroin/opiates? Since the bulk of the worlds opium poppies are grown in places like afghanistan?


Out of curiousity, is it possible to test someone spot check like you can with a breathalyzer?


(sorry in advance to super stocker for my serious questions)
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Old October 4th, 2006, 03:02 PM   #22
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Isn't that more for morphine/heroin/opiates? Since the bulk of the worlds opium poppies are grown in places like afghanistan?


Out of curiousity, is it possible to test someone spot check like you can with a breathalyzer?


(sorry in advance to super stocker for my serious questions)
sure as long as you can get them to pee in a cup it takes about 2 minutes to check for presence of any drug in their system. opiates,cocaine marijuana,barbituates. etc the tests are litmus paper like test strips. I used to take them 2 times a week
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Old October 4th, 2006, 03:33 PM   #23
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What if you're so stoned you can't hit the cup :tonka:
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Old October 4th, 2006, 06:32 PM   #24
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Gotta agree there.

You look at someone who's smoked tobacco heavily all their life. Negating the effects of actual smoke inhallation, since the bad stuff will also happen from smoking weed, generally, you don't have major changes to someone. Kinda like caffeine: if they don't have it, they get cranky, etc.

You look at a heavy pot user, and the brain is effected.


One guy I used to work with used to be a HEAVY pot smoker. He didn't smoke on the job, which was good since we were operating bulldozers and driving class A trucks, but even so, the guy was f'd from it. He couldn't stand without swaying half the time. He had no memory, etc. Even after he cleaned up, he always seemed to be half-baked.

But you could say most of that about alcohol. Do you think we should make that illegal also?
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Old October 4th, 2006, 06:39 PM   #25
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As a non drinker I say YES !
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I say legalize everything, as long as you're not harming anyone else I could care less what you do to yourself.
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Old October 4th, 2006, 10:26 PM   #27
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Old October 5th, 2006, 08:40 AM   #28
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MJ changes behavior in a far greater fashion than tobacco. If it were legalized, then we would have more idiots than we have now. And yes, it IS a gateway drug, and I don't care if you have been the exception to the rule. Don't think of yourself in terms of legalizing pot usage, think of our society, our youth, etc. In other words, think bigger than your own need to escape this cruel world. Everyone thought casino gambling was great for Detroit, but it has further damaged our already hurting city. Legalizing pot or any other questionable item would only serve to harm us more as a society. We need LESS reasons for people to become deadbeats, not more.



1. Boo Hoo Hoo, I feel terrible for the guy with no job who can't afford to get high, boo hoo hoo. Asking where he can get the money is rediculous, the correct question to ask is where can we get him help to overcome his addiction?

2. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha Riiiiiiiiight
+1 I dont really see the harm in sitting around with some buddies and burning a fattie. I never got into it much, but its easy enough to get and the punishments for having it are not that harsh, so keep it the way it is.
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Old October 5th, 2006, 08:42 AM   #29
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I say legalize everything, as long as you're not harming anyone else I could care less what you do to yourself.
This type of ignorance bothers me.
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This type of ignorance bothers me.
Yeah, yer not the only one.
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Old October 5th, 2006, 08:54 AM   #31
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They'll never do it!

The giggling would be too intense.
They already have. I have a friend in California who has a card and grows the shit out of it. Some of the local government agree with what this article has to say and allows some people to grow and use it but the federal government will never agree to let this happen, but it still dose. Michigan has people on med pot and Ann Arbor will not prosecute a terminally ill person for growing or using med pot. (within the city limits).
I say George washington grew it so why can't I???????
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Natural or not its got 3-5 times the amount of tar tobacco has in it.
Not when you use a bong
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Old October 5th, 2006, 11:42 AM   #33
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MJ changes behavior in a far greater fashion than tobacco. If it were legalized, then we would have more idiots than we have now. And yes, it IS a gateway drug, and I don't care if you have been the exception to the rule. Don't think of yourself in terms of legalizing pot usage, think of our society, our youth, etc. In other words, think bigger than your own need to escape this cruel world. Everyone thought casino gambling was great for Detroit, but it has further damaged our already hurting city. Legalizing pot or any other questionable item would only serve to harm us more as a society. We need LESS reasons for people to become deadbeats, not more.

No disrespect but your the one being ignorant here.

1. People who want to use it already are, legalizing it won't increase the number of user's. This is a myth.

2. It's NOT a gateway drug.

From NORML web site.......

"There is no conclusive evidence that the effects of marijuana are causally linked to the subsequent use of other illicit drugs. Preliminary animal studies alleging that marijuana "primed" the brain for other drug-taking behavior have not been replicated, nor are they supported by epidemiological human data. Statistically, for every 104 Americans who have tried marijuana, there is only one regular user of cocaine, and less than one user of heroin. Marijuana is clearly a "terminus" rather than a gateway for the overwhelming majority of marijuana smokers.

For those minority of marijuana smokers who do graduate to harder substances, it is marijuana prohibition -- which forces users to associate with the illicit drug black market -- rather than the use of marijuana itself, that often serves as a doorway to the world of hard drugs. The more users become integrated in an environment where, apart from cannabis, hard drugs can also be obtained, the greater the chances they will experiment with harder drugs.

In Holland, where politicians decided over 25 years ago to separate marijuana from the illicit drug market by permitting coffee shops all over the country to sell small amounts of marijuana to adults, individuals use marijuana and other drugs at rates less than half of their American counterparts."




Maybe if everyone here did a little research first....

http://www.norml.org/
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Quite frankly, having seen europe, and the US.... Americans don't have anywhere near the amount of responsibility that the europeans do.

We ruin everything we touch. THey get drugs, boobs on tv, beer, the autobahn, raw cheeses, and kinder eggs.

We get retards with lawyers.
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Quite frankly, having seen europe, and the US.... Americans don't have anywhere near the amount of responsibility that the europeans do.

We ruin everything we touch. THey get drugs, boobs on tv, beer, the autobahn, raw cheeses, and kinder eggs.

We get retards with lawyers.
So true. It seems we have this idea that government should be responsible for everything and take no responsibility for our own actions. Drug prohibition is a fine example of the government taking the responsibility for telling you what is bad for you.

I want the freedom do decide for myself. Maybe I should move to Europe, but I'd miss taking a shower everyday.

Freedom and personal responsibility are really lacking in this country.
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You can take a shower every day there.

I do.

But you have to pay the water bill, which (seriously, at least for germany), will most likely be your largest utility bill.
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Old October 5th, 2006, 06:21 PM   #37
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MJ changes behavior in a far greater fashion than tobacco. If it were legalized, then we would have more idiots than we have now. And yes, it IS a gateway drug, and I don't care if you have been the exception to the rule. Don't think of yourself in terms of legalizing pot usage, think of our society, our youth, etc. In other words, think bigger than your own need to escape this cruel world. Everyone thought casino gambling was great for Detroit, but it has further damaged our already hurting city. Legalizing pot or any other questionable item would only serve to harm us more as a society. We need LESS reasons for people to become deadbeats, not more.



1. Boo Hoo Hoo, I feel terrible for the guy with no job who can't afford to get high, boo hoo hoo. Asking where he can get the money is rediculous, the correct question to ask is where can we get him help to overcome his addiction?

2. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha Riiiiiiiiight
1.3% of the U.S. population was adicted to drugs in 1914 when laws on them started hitting the books. 1.3% are addicted now, though billions are spent trying to eliminate drugs... Just like prohibition, the "war on drugs" is a waste of money, and leading to more organized crime. Legalize the drugs so they can be regulated, much like alcohol. The 1.3% will still be there, but the need for organized crime(drug related) won't.
The junkies will still resort to their choice crimes to pay for the legal drugs, but the reduction in costs for policing the drugs, could put plenty of extra officers out on the streets to combat that.
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This post is making me want a big bowl of capt crunch w/crunchberries.
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I was just watching a documentary on how it became illegal. it was one guy who vilified it to congress and lied his ass off on the effects. then congress was shown a grizzly murder and told it was caused by Pot(it wasn't). they made the law that stands today. The fact that Pot grew in EVERY state in the union makes me think its still growing wild for the most part. I always hear about huge fields that get discovered and burned, and the DEA or whom ever says they have leeds to who planted it. I think they miss the fact that mother nature still has a hand in things and will make it grow where ever the seeds hit the ground.
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