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Old February 2nd, 2012, 02:25 PM   #1
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What's your opinion on the ASE system. Im not asking about taking the test or how to get them etc.. I wanna know how you feel overall about them.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 02:29 PM   #2
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 04:11 PM   #3
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I don't remember the last time i took the HVAC test (probably 04/05), but most of the a/c stuff was a bunch of outdated R-12 shit.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 04:17 PM   #4
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No different than a view on a college degree. Just because you have them doesn't mean you know it all, and not having them doesn't mean you don't know anything either.

Still, it's a slip of paper that can easily get you a job in any dealership if they are hiring which I keep as my plan B.
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Its amazing the difference between having vs not having them makes in the auto repair industry. I think its BS personally. With that said I currently have 7 of the auto certs. And the only way I can get a raise is by obtaining the 8th one. No matter how good I am at my job, makes no difference in my wage, only the amount of ASE certs the tech has does.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 04:42 PM   #6
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Its amazing the difference between having vs not having them makes in the auto repair industry. I think its BS personally. With that said I currently have 7 of the auto certs. And the only way I can get a raise is by obtaining the 8th one. No matter how good I am at my job, makes no difference in my wage, only the amount of ASE certs the tech has does.
Don't you work for a tire place?
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This is just MY opinion.
ASE certs prove the holder has true pride in his craft.
By taking the time and effort to stay up to date in his/her training and the time, effort and expence of obtaining and maintaining your ASE certs.

I currently hold:
Master Auto.
Auto Advanced Engine Perf..
Master Truck
Electronic Diesel Engine Diagnosis
Master Machinist
Automotive Service Consultant
Undercar Specialist
Some of these are not renewable after they expire, they do not offer the catagory any longer.

I will no longer hire a Tech without some ASE certs and a plan to get more.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 04:48 PM   #8
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Its amazing the difference between having vs not having them makes in the auto repair industry. I think its BS personally. With that said I currently have 7 of the auto certs. And the only way I can get a raise is by obtaining the 8th one. No matter how good I am at my job, makes no difference in my wage, only the amount of ASE certs the tech has does.
We also pay extra for each cert.

You may consider talking to your owner about a production based comp plan. There are many good plans to model after.
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ASE certs are a better/harder test than the state certs. Having them means that you can take a test and have the basic knowledge of that area of the test. It does not however mean that you know how to apply or use that knowledge. I have worked with several people through out the years that didn't have the certs and really knew what they where doing. On the other hand I worked with one guy who was (state) certified in electrical and couldn't figure out a blown fuse. Now with all of that being said I think that having ASE certs means that you are willing to go the extra distance to try to prove what you know.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 04:54 PM   #10
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We also pay extra for each cert.

You may consider talking to your owner about a production based comp plan. There are many good plans to model after.
Do you know where to get one of those models from? I have talked to my boss about changing our pay based on something like that. As of right now you only make more if you are master certified, which I am but for someon who only has one or two certs its long way for them to go and I think might kinda discourage them from getting any more.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 05:11 PM   #11
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Don't you work for a tire place?
Yes they sell tires, but we do all service work as well.

Basically we get a % of the job.

18% of parts, 18% of labor if your 0-4 ASE certs (must be "A" level certs)

21% of parts, 21% of labor if your 5-7 ASE certs (must be "A" level certs)

23% of parts, 23% of labor if your 8+ ASE certs (must be "A" level certs)

$10 an oil change, $10 on battery installs, $10 an axle on alignments, etc etc

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Old February 2nd, 2012, 05:14 PM   #12
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ASE certs are a better/harder test than the state certs. Having them means that you can take a test and have the basic knowledge of that area of the test. It does not however mean that you know how to apply or use that knowledge. I have worked with several people through out the years that didn't have the certs and really knew what they where doing. On the other hand I worked with one guy who was (state) certified in electrical and couldn't figure out a blown fuse. Now with all of that being said I think that having ASE certs means that you are willing to go the extra distance to try to prove what you know.
I worked with a lot of guys who were "book smart" and had all the certs, but yet seemed to struggle to change brake pads, and had no real world expierence.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 05:18 PM   #13
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All of mine have long been expired, and I'm fine with that since I don't work in the auto field anymore. I'm still spinning wrenches for a living, but don't need any certs
I am, however, factory certified from about 8 different manufacturers and through my companies training depth which also does college courses, and, of course, the a/c cert
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Auto Profit Masters.
Tom Ham-Automotive Managment Network.
iATN.com has a whole forum on pay plans.
R.L. O'Conner Managment Training

You should be able to find pay plan options at any of these.
A lot of owner's wonder why thier Tech's are not happy, and the pay plan is the start point to Tech's who are happy and productive.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 05:39 PM   #15
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Yes they sell tires, but we do all service work as well.

Basically we get a % of the job.

18% of parts, 18% of labor if your 0-4 ASE certs (must be "A" level certs)

21% of parts, 21% of labor if your 5-7 ASE certs (must be "A" level certs)

23% of parts, 23% of labor if your 8+ ASE certs (must be "A" level certs)

$10 an oil change, $10 on battery installs, $10 an axle on alignments, etc etc
Remember I am an owner.
If you are treated fair for the tire end of it, That does not look like a bad plan. The labor % is a little low, but every time parts prices go up, you get a raise, every time shop labor rate goes up, you get a raise.
That plan takes employees and managment with itegrity to sell only what is needed and not over sell (I met you and know that is not the case with you).
It should work real well with maint. services but the labor % makes it real hard to make $ on large complex repairs.
It is up to Managment to keep the bays full so those who work hard are rewarded.
If the bays are not turning, that is a marketing and/or reputation issue.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 05:56 PM   #16
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I am doing pretty decent right now, but I have only been on this plan for 5 weeks or so. I recently changed companies after 13.5 yrs with my prior employer. There, I was more or less at 33% of labor billed on the invoice (how it actually worked out). The plan was $26 an hr flat rate, but coupons and discounts came off my wage. Thats why I say 33% of billed labor as the shop rate was at $75 an hr.

I do nothing with tires, only thing I do tire related is taking them on/off to do the inspections. Anymore then that they have personnel dedicated to it.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 06:25 PM   #17
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Well im glad to see im not the only one who thinks they're a joke.. But i too have noticed 99% of employers use it as a job filter.. It's just sad i see many "mechanics" come in fresh with that badge thinkin they're the shit and then get slammed down to earth when they cant do shit.. the only thing certs prove is you know how to study and take a test..

Book smarts arent street smarts!!

Which brings me to the next topic..

Engineers...
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 06:28 PM   #18
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This has been a topic where I work recently. Only one tech besides me out of six has ASE certs. The owner would like everyone certified in something ASE. I have heard so much whining about what does it do for me,its not like it jumps off the wall and fixes things,blah,blah,blah. I have six and the owner paid for me to get them. I am not sure I make more because of it,but if I ever decide to leave I think I will be happy to have them.
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It does serve as a reference point.



What else it does is potentially lock out those that are mechanically gifted, but struggle with school or reading in general.

Used to be, if you wanted to be a mechanic, you went and hung out at the neighborhood garage, worked on the family car, or friend's car, hung out at the garage some more until they handed you a broom to make yourself useful while you watched the mechanic until one day they let you do an oil change...

In other words- you became a mechanic simply by working on cars.
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Yes they sell tires, but we do all service work as well.

Basically we get a % of the job.

18% of parts, 18% of labor if your 0-4 ASE certs (must be "A" level certs)

21% of parts, 21% of labor if your 5-7 ASE certs (must be "A" level certs)

23% of parts, 23% of labor if your 8+ ASE certs (must be "A" level certs)

$10 an oil change, $10 on battery installs, $10 an axle on alignments, etc etc

Belle? What store?
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