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Old February 1st, 2012, 10:26 PM   #121
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I don't make 100k a year in my position, but I don't work 80 hour weeks, either. My free time is pretty valuable. When do you DO anything outside of work?
I did 60 hours last week, but I'm not sure I could have done much more. I was pretty worn out. And I don't think I could do it all year, but if I did I would start to approach 100k.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 05:29 AM   #122
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Now ka, I'm only going off of what was quoted because you are on my ignore list because I find you cunty, so if I get something wrong, I apologize.


How did I miss that little gem.

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Old February 2nd, 2012, 05:44 AM   #123
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He can't see me anyway.. because apparently he puts everyone ignore he doesn't like.. People who can't argue and not take things personally should stay off the internet or else their feelings will be hurt a lot.
You dont offend me, nobody here does. You annoy me. There is a difference.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 05:54 AM   #124
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You dont offend me, nobody here does. You annoy me. There is a difference.
Am I on your ignore list as well?
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 06:05 AM   #125
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Am I on your ignore list as well?
No.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 06:23 AM   #126
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No.
Holy shit...

KA is on someone's ignore list and I am not.

I think hell just froze over.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 06:24 AM   #127
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Holy shit...

KA is on someone's ignore list and I am not.

I think hell just froze over.
Use that in your next argument with her.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 07:01 AM   #128
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It doesn't. But you in no way answered my question. I've been to places where people were dying in the streets. I don't want to see it happening here. Do you?

Life is a terminal disease. People are going to die regardless, and some people are going to have a poor quality of life regardless of how much you, me, the Government, or whomever tries to help them.


OK. How much disparity in wealth and income do you think Europe can handle before it slides into 3rd world status?

Let them find out first, the Left have this EuroUtopia Dream shoved so far up their ass - the idea of this country becoming another Greece doesn't sound appealing to me at all

I'm more worried about spending our great grandchildren's futures. Our great grandparents understood that if they wanted to fight wars or depressions that they should raise taxes on themselves to pay for it rather than sending the bill to future generations.
Pretty sure you knew I meant great, great grand children and was multi-tasking at work.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 07:09 AM   #129
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Kickstand for someone whom I think is involved in the employment industry, you seem pretty close minded on this subject. I'm with Kerryann on this. When my wife and I got married we got the shaft. The "system" doesn't help those who have gone to school, made some decent financial decisions and still have debt to pay back. You can't write off your student loans, your work supplies, your charity, your kids, your ANYTHING except your mortgage interest unless it's a ridiculous amt. It's total f'in bullshit. I have roomates that I went to school with that took the same student loans and because they picked basket weaving instead of a lucrative and VERY TOUGH profession they get breaks that I don't. Sorry if I'm close minded but that's bullshit. Open your eyes you big f'in baby, it's not just you that's getting hosed by the man. I pay more for f'in liability insurance so whiny ass bitches looking for an easy buck don't sue me for my license and civil penalties, etc. than most do for their home. If I had it to do over again there's no way I'd spend all those years in college eating f'in Ramen noodles and pulling all night study sessions instead of going to the bar nightly like my buddies/roomates. I have 5 kids, wouldn't trade anyone and while I'm not in any way wealthy I also am blessed to not want for the NECESSITIES. I just think you need to realize there's another side to the story. Yes my wife and I make more (gross) than whatever percentage you want to claim, but we don't GET any more. It gets real old seeing others fukc the system on our dime. End of rant. And I never used spellcheck so go ahead and flame me on my grammar/spelling like I'm sure you will. Because apparently that's what is important to some of you it appears. OK, end of rant.
Ummm, you CAN write off your student loan interest as a deduction, you CAN write off things for your business or work supplies as a deduction, you CAN claim your dependants, and you CAN claim any charitable donations. Sure, you may not have enough expenses in those areas to make a sizeable dent in your tax return, but they ARE deductions you can claim when you do your taxes.

You want to talk about people getting breaks that you don't? Try NOT making 200k, and making less than half that and STILL not being eligible for the "breaks" At least you have the EXTRA 100k over someone like myself to make up for the "breaks" you didn't get, you poor poor baby.

I mean how much student loan debt can you have, how many car payments, mortgage, etc. can you have that you can't get by on 200k? If you're having trouble, it's because you are not wise with your money.

Liability insurance? I'm under the impression you own some sort of business, are you mistaking your business revenue's and profits for your personal income?

You say you're college educated (or at least I assume you are since you have student loan debt), so if you are, and you're in business for yourself you knew there was a cost of running a business up front right?

Why do you make more GROSS, and not get anymore?

is it because you decided to pump 5 kids out of your wife and kids are expensive? the 200k you make affords you that option.

is it because you have to pay liability insurance? You chose the profession that gave you the option to make 200k as a household, nobody forced your hand

is it because you have a bunch of money wrapped up in your jeep? (assuming its in your avatar, and its a nice looking jeep by the way)

is it because you have big car payments? big house? toys, etc.

Look, you may not be rich or wealthy in your eyes, but if you're in the 200k category you have more money coming in on a weekly basis than 98% of americans, that's a lot of money. How you choose to spend, waste, save, that money is up to you, but when a good portion of people DO have to figure out a way to come up with money to get necessities I have no sympathy for someone like yourself who doesn;t yet wants to bitch he doesn't catch any breaks, meanwhile making more money then 294 million other countrymen.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 07:22 AM   #130
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Try NOT making 200k, and making less than half that and STILL not being eligible for the "breaks"
The cut off for most of the deductions are retarded. Even when I was single I couldn't deduct all of my student loan interest.

So I went to school, got a non-bullshit degree, made something of myself, yet I make too much to deduct the loans that got me here. Yet if I got a total bullshit degree, spent my days occupying Wallstreet, and waiting tables and Denny's I'd be able to deduct all of that interest? Seems fair...
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 07:34 AM   #131
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You want to talk about people getting breaks that you don't? Try NOT making 200k, and making less than half that and STILL not being eligible for the "breaks" At least you have the EXTRA 100k over someone like myself to make up for the "breaks" you didn't get, you poor poor baby.
This entirely speaks to what I posted about how a flax tax would have to be carried out; get rid of all the loopholes ("tax deductions") that are geared toward people with a lot of write-offs and/or awesome accountants.

This is merely a guess, but I probably end up paying as much income tax as someone that makes half of what I do that cannot afford to max out their 401K and rents their home. With all the deductions I can figure out to take, I think I pay just about enough - and I believe the brackets are created to make this work out that I don't pay too little.

Looking at the other guy, he's still on the sliding scale and for what ever reasons (kids/family/health) can only fill out a 1040EZ. This person is being unfairly overburdened - and the one that needs help. Increasing what I and other "rich bitches" pay isn't going to give this guy any relief: The main thing that will help is by lowering his tax burden while increasing the revenue from the "Ultra Wealthy".

I like the idea of a flat tax (with some restrictions I mentioned before) to do just this. If everybody has to pay X%, there is no longer any punishment for success and no more loopholes to be exploited by the wealthy.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 07:38 AM   #132
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scoots I like the basis of the post you had made.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 07:42 AM   #133
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Look, you may not be rich or wealthy in your eyes, but if you're in the 200k category you have more money coming in on a weekly basis than 98% of americans, that's a lot of money. How you choose to spend, waste, save, that money is up to you, but when a good portion of people DO have to figure out a way to come up with money to get necessities I have no sympathy for someone like yourself who doesn;t yet wants to bitch he doesn't catch any breaks, meanwhile making more money then 294 million other countrymen.
You forget, he went to school to get this 200k job and the FUCKING MONEY IS HIS. Not the governments, not the 49% that don't pay taxes, not the mutha fuckers that collect hand outs, welfare, etc. From GM to the man on the corner with a can collecting quarters.
I don't give a shit what a person makes, it is their money, their deal. Because YOU don't they should now pay more? Do you pay too little taxes? If you do, then feel free to pay more.
The taxes we all pay may seem skewed depending on your point of view, most only see that the guy with 200k makes more so it must be easier, right. Let me tell you that to make 200k COST MORE than making 25k, trust me. There are very few people making 250k combined that do not have a necessary expense that people making 25-50k do not. I am not talking kids or mansions either.
For starters base tax:
Under Under 70k (married) 15% or $10,500 in taxes
Over 200k (married) 33% taxes or $66,000 in taxes, yeah I know this is still "not their fair share" according to the Dems.

All things being equal the 70k couple should be at $23,100 in taxes or double their current amount, OR the 200k couple should be at $30,000 or half their current rate.

By any stretch how is this program consider unfair for the "middle class" by the Dems?

Who is the middle class? People that make what? I bet most of the 50% not paying taxes now is considered middle class.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 07:47 AM   #134
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The cut off for most of the deductions are retarded. Even when I was single I couldn't deduct all of my student loan interest.

So I went to school, got a non-bullshit degree, made something of myself, yet I make too much to deduct the loans that got me here. Yet if I got a total bullshit degree, spent my days occupying Wallstreet, and waiting tables and Denny's I'd be able to deduct all of that interest? Seems fair...
quit trying to use logic in this argument, apparently everyone knows the truth and you, I are wrong.
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Scooter you do make good point and a flat tax would be welcomed by almost all but the last 1% making 90% of the decisions.

The tax system is broken, I don't feel the ultra rich will be saving anyone with a new tax code. The government spending machine will outspend any change made to the current tax formulas, so even a nice easy flat tax will be met with deficits from overspending.
I have little hope in government, so I would find the best accountant you can, the money will be well spent.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 07:49 AM   #136
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You forget, he went to school to get this 200k job and the FUCKING MONEY IS HIS. Not the governments, not the 49% that don't pay taxes, not the mutha fuckers that collect hand outs, welfare, etc. From GM to the man on the corner with a can collecting quarters.
I don't give a shit what a person makes, it is their money, their deal. Because YOU don't they should now pay more? Do you pay too little taxes? If you do, then feel free to pay more.
The taxes we all pay may seem skewed depending on your point of view, most only see that the guy with 200k makes more so it must be easier, right. Let me tell you that to make 200k COST MORE than making 25k, trust me. There are very few people making 250k combined that do not have a necessary expense that people making 25-50k do not. I am not talking kids or mansions either.
For starters base tax:
Under Under 70k (married) 15% or $10,500 in taxes
Over 200k (married) 33% taxes or $66,000 in taxes, yeah I know this is still "not their fair share" according to the Dems.

All things being equal the 70k couple should be at $23,100 in taxes or double their current amount, OR the 200k couple should be at $30,000 or half their current rate.

By any stretch how is this program consider unfair for the "middle class" by the Dems?

Who is the middle class? People that make what? I bet most of the 50% not paying taxes now is considered middle class.
Wow, I'd vote for you if you ran for office... seriously
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 07:50 AM   #137
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scoots I like the basis of the post you had made.
Kickstand I'll agree with you on this at least
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I didn't forget anything, I paid in over $20k in taxes this year, somewhere between a third and a quarter of my income.

I got some back, not as much as I had hoped, but either way I would say i ended up paying closer to a quarter.

Sure it sucks at 200k to pay in as much as you have to pay, but if I made 75k and paid in 20k I had 55k for my expenses. That's roughly 1k a week.

If you made 200k and paid in 65k you brought home an additional 80k or roughly an EXTRA 1500 a week.

I feel like I have a "fair" amount of money in my pocket to live a decent life, more than doubling my income would be pretty damn nice.
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I can't wait to get my last 1099, and for my wife to finally print off her w2's so I can spend 4 hours with turbotax one weekend this month.
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Kickstand I'll agree with you on this at least
For the life of me I can't figure out how I make less than half of a 200k household and although I don't consider myself wealthy or rich, what I do know is I can't figure out how the "average" american household does it, because money is tight for me.

So if I was making 200k sure I'd be PISSED even more at the amount of taxes I pay, but I surely know simple math.

Making more than 98%
Having more than double I have right now.
Seems like having 200k and saying it is "not a lot of money" is pretty ridiculous.

I hope to be able to move into that 100k tax bracket some day.....I'd have no problem being in the 200k bracket.....

I realize that currently the more you make the more you pay, but the more you make the more you still make, even if you have to pay a higher percentage.
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