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Old February 1st, 2012, 02:46 PM   #81
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they've fallen all over themselves asking for campaign donations.
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Old February 1st, 2012, 04:38 PM   #82
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All I see is a whole lotta RED

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Old February 1st, 2012, 04:48 PM   #83
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"Obama carries only those states where he had a net positive approval rating in 2011 (e.g. Michigan where he is up 48 percent to 44 percent), Obama would lose the 2012 election to the Republican nominee 323 electoral votes to 215."

I'm not sure that necessarily correlates into people voting against him. A lot of people may disapprove, but still not approve of voting for X from the Republican party.
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Old February 1st, 2012, 04:52 PM   #84
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200k isn't that much? I really like you, but you are completely fucking retarded sometimes.

I have a child, and make FAR FAR FAR below 200k, and well below the 100k I would need to contribute to be a 200k household. Meaning I don't get to split any bills in half with someone, like a couple of dinks making 200k combined.

$200k in comparison to most people is a shit ton of fucking money, even if it takes two working professionals to come up with it.

You do realize that the AVERAGE income per HOUSEHOLD in the US is $50,000 in 2006 and that the number of households making over 250k (couldn't find info for your "not all that much money" 200k) is less than 1.9% (again in 2006).

Let's do some simple math for miss kerryann who wants us to feel sorry for her dual income no kid household making $200k.

Mortgage $1200 (modest for a 200k household, tight for a 50k household, but about average for a 150k house, taxes and insurance included)
Cell phone (2 working adults, most likely a strong necessity, but not an absolute) $150
Cars $400x2=$800 (doesn't matter if its a payment or repairs or both, let's call this a fair average)
Utilities $150 (yearly average, assuming frugal use of the utilities)
Car insurance $200

$2500 a month in expenses. Not including garbage pick up, groceries, gas to get to work, incidentals, entertainment, credit card debt, student loans, medical bills, med insurance premiums, income taxes, etc.

200k/12=$16,666.66 Per month, or $14,166.66 left over at the end of the month to cover garbage pick up, groceries, gas to get to work, incidentals, entertainment, credit card debt, student loans, medical bills, med insurance premiums, income taxes, etc.


Average American Household.
$50k/12=$4,166.66 Per month, or $1,666.66/month left over to cover garbage pick up, groceries, gas to get to work, incidentals, entertainment, credit card debt, student loans, medical bills, med insurance premiums, income taxes, etc.

I mean thats only like a 12-13k difference.

MONTHLY.

In my search less than 20% of all households in america even make more than $110k/year.

Basically what you're saying is you make over $200k as a household and you make more than 98% of people out there..........Maybe you would like to re-consider your stance on 200k being "not that much"

I am not crying about anything. What I was saying is that for two working professionals 200k isn't an extreme amount honestly. My point was more along the lines of people are already paying increased taxes because married people are taxed at the rate for the combined income, rather than the single income.
If you work and make that much money you shouldn't pay a penalty for being successful.
I know people who are below and above us in the income range that live paycheck to paycheck. I know a single person with only adult children who makes more than Mike and I combined and he lives paycheck to paycheck. I am also so sick of seeing everyone on facebook and here saying how when they get their taxes back they are going to go out and blow it. We all know a lot of those people are barely getting by and should be saving that money for an emergency or paying off debt. We live within our means because I never want to worry about how I am going to pay for anything we need (there is plenty I want that I would have to worry).

Kickstand, you read way more into what I said than what I actually said.

Here are my main points again so you can re-read them.

1. 200k seems like a lot to people who are like.. "tax the wealthy". Married people combine their income so a lot of people fall into that category who arent "rich" people. These people are considered upper to middle class by most. (though to the guy at McDonalds, he could do the same breakdown of your income and say you are rich in his mind).
2. I myself, other than what I pay for in my property taxes, probably use little government services. I don't think it's fair to tax people more when they use less services.

I like the flat tax option. I know my cousin (who has a baby out of wedlock, didnt go to college, and lost the good job I got her) gets more back in tax returns then she pays into the system. It boggles my mind.. how do you get more back than you pay? I can see maybe letting a poverty stricken person get away with zero, but how do you get the money someone else is paying into taxes?

Reading what Bruce said, also I am not a person who thinks we should have zero safety net for people. I do however, think that people on the government dole should have restrictions, responsibilities, and time limits. We have lost that whole concept of personal responsibility in this culture.
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I stopped reading after your first sentence. 200k is more than 98% of households in America, it IS for a lot of money. You're fucking retarded on this one.
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Old February 1st, 2012, 07:21 PM   #86
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OK I read your post, im not arguing fiscal responsibility or wealth im just arguing the amount of money your talking about 200k IS a lot of money for a household, in fact "A lot" of people don't make more than that, 2 % do. That is NOT a lot.

I agree on the tax return thing.

Being taxed on combined income? What about the tax break for being married?

My tax return was nice this year, its buying me some cool stuff on its first third, second third is fixing up a bathroom and the last third is being saved.

Fyi 200k combined income or not is more than 98%98% of America. Let me put that in perspective for you, of the 300+ million people in the us, that means you make more money than approximately 294 million of them

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Old February 1st, 2012, 07:26 PM   #87
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Takes me 4 years to make 200k. Seasonal work blows.

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Old February 1st, 2012, 07:30 PM   #88
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Takes me 4 years to make 200k. Seasonal work blows.

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Don't feel bad, would take me three and im full-time year round.
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Old February 1st, 2012, 07:35 PM   #89
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For someone making over 200k and living check to check. Theyre just plain fuckin retarded or putting most of it up their nose.

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For someone making over 200k and living check to check. Theyre just plain fuckin retarded or putting most of it up their nose.

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I would like to try living paycheck to paycheck at 200k.
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Kickstand for someone whom I think is involved in the employment industry, you seem pretty close minded on this subject. I'm with Kerryann on this. When my wife and I got married we got the shaft. The "system" doesn't help those who have gone to school, made some decent financial decisions and still have debt to pay back. You can't write off your student loans, your work supplies, your charity, your kids, your ANYTHING except your mortgage interest unless it's a ridiculous amt. It's total f'in bullshit. I have roomates that I went to school with that took the same student loans and because they picked basket weaving instead of a lucrative and VERY TOUGH profession they get breaks that I don't. Sorry if I'm close minded but that's bullshit. Open your eyes you big f'in baby, it's not just you that's getting hosed by the man. I pay more for f'in liability insurance so whiny ass bitches looking for an easy buck don't sue me for my license and civil penalties, etc. than most do for their home. If I had it to do over again there's no way I'd spend all those years in college eating f'in Ramen noodles and pulling all night study sessions instead of going to the bar nightly like my buddies/roomates. I have 5 kids, wouldn't trade anyone and while I'm not in any way wealthy I also am blessed to not want for the NECESSITIES. I just think you need to realize there's another side to the story. Yes my wife and I make more (gross) than whatever percentage you want to claim, but we don't GET any more. It gets real old seeing others fukc the system on our dime. End of rant. And I never used spellcheck so go ahead and flame me on my grammar/spelling like I'm sure you will. Because apparently that's what is important to some of you it appears. OK, end of rant.
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For someone making over 200k and living check to check. Theyre just plain fuckin retarded or putting most of it up their nose.

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Truth. I know some 150-200k paycheck to paycheck idiots, they have cool cars, cool houses, lots of credit card debt and not a penny to their name. But they still have a LOT of money each pay day...a LOT more than me. I just have more in my pocket the day BEFORE payday.
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And for those complaining about seasonal work, sorry but how about get a job the rest of the year and cut back on how bad the rest of us are taxed. I'd trade you a 60% pay cut for the "seasonal" status. I'd give more than you can imagine to be there when my kids get off the bus or have an out of town game. Grass is always greener. When you're home enjoying a brew with friends, some of us are still working to pay for your brew. Wow! I'm not normally this big of an asshole!!
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200k isn't so much?
so if you are rich +1 for voting republican!
Voting Democrat will almost guarantee no one will be rich, if they are it will be very short term as the Dems will level the field and play government robin hood.
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Rental rider you're mistaking me saying that 200k isn't a lot of money and it saying your rich.

Truth is if you're making 200k as a household even with 5our kids you should be fairly comfortable, until it comes time to pay for college!!!!
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And for those complaining about seasonal work, sorry but how about get a job the rest of the year and cut back on how bad the rest of us are taxed. I'd trade you a 60% pay cut for the "seasonal" status. I'd give more than you can imagine to be there when my kids get off the bus or have an out of town game. Grass is always greener. When you're home enjoying a brew with friends, some of us are still working to pay for your brew. Wow! I'm not normally this big of an asshole!!
Oh so the seasonal guys dont pay taxes? I pay into everything just the same as you do but for a few less months. Your not paying for my brew bud, I am.

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Don't we all pay enough taxes (except the 50% of you on this board that pay no taxes)?

I don't care if you are the 50% (that pays taxes) or the 5% over 250k or the 1% millionaire, you pay too much fucking taxes to live and die in this country.

Government has spent the last hundred years going from no tax at all to over 50% tax.

At this rate our kids will work all week so they can get a welfare check on Friday.

Someone needs to stop the spending and now.
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Oh so the seasonal guys dont pay taxes? I pay into everything just the same as you do but for a few less months. Your not paying for my brew bud, I am.

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Correction, your employer is through unemployment tax......more taxes baby!
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Oh so the seasonal guys dont pay taxes? I pay into everything just the same as you do but for a few less months. Your not paying for my brew bud, I am.

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Yeah, I'm sure I way oversimplified your situation. However I'm SOOOOO tired of hearing how "you're rich, blah, blah, blah... I only work 7 months a year". OK, that's not a bad thing in my mind. I grew up living poor. I lived VERY poor through college paying my way installing hardwood floors during summers and the occasional weekend. I've got no doubt I could adjust to a few months of 60% waiges (or whatever unemployment pays) to ice fish daily or duck hunt, or WHATEVER I chose to do. You're paying for your beer I'm sure, but you see my point for those others who complain constantly about their situation.
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More like 30% for me.

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