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Old February 2nd, 2012, 03:51 PM   #181
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you're still hung up on this being an income tax thread. let's steer it back to an over-reaching federal government thread. One of the supposed key tenants of conservatives is smaller Government. I don't believe for a moment that most of them really believe that, but let's run with it, because I am in fact for smaller Government.

For 100 years we had banks lending money for mortgages, and holding those notes, with required levels of collateralization and equity positions. The vast majority were regional banks, not the megaliths that are there now. The Fed jumps in, with their quasi-governmental secondary mortgage markets, and after a couple of decades of false growth the world's economy blows up. When you had to put 20% or more down, plus closing costs, people weren't so cavalier about over-extending themselves, or flipping houses.

for 100 years we didn't have Federalized Healthcare. We're still not even there yet, but the threat of what is buried in the bill that nobody read, that will still require reams of additional legislation and administrative rules to implement is already forcing huge changes in the medical services industry. Doctors are selling out practices, companies are outsourcing (even more), contracting, or just closing rather than deal with more over-reach.

Perhaps the current resistance to increased income taxes is nothing more than digging heals in, crossing arms and saying a big "FUCK you" to the Dems that crammed shit down our throats when they briefly held a majority in both houses of Congress.

Honestly who cares, outside of a few misguided souls, pretty much everyone is in agreement that none of our elected representatives in Washington are truly representing us.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 03:53 PM   #182
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I fear we're on a not-so-fun giant pendulum ride. And frankly, I'm already, quite ready to throw up...


I think that's a more accurate depiction of our current ride...
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 03:58 PM   #183
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glad we can count on your vote in the republican primary
government sucks

And go get back to the real original point of this thread, does it matter who wins?
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 04:12 PM   #184
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It wouldn't matter if you were smart enough, or if Romney is smart enough, or if Obama is smart enough, or if Paul is smart enough, or if is smart enough.

the "machine" that is Capitol Hill, along with the Lobbying industry, and the Media won't let a true solution come to play. Even though most of us are moderates, the way to get elected is to polarize, and divide.

I fear we're on a not-so-fun giant pendulum ride. And frankly, I'm already, quite ready to throw up...
Neither party cares about the will of the people anymore. The lobbiests have more power than the voting public and it's our fault as a country for not stopping this crap. The only reason I still am a republican is because I support less government. I have the hope that based on the principals of the Republican party they stand a better chance of that outcome.
Anyone who thinks either party is the great savior is naive.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 04:31 PM   #185
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government sucks

And go get back to the real original point of this thread, does it matter who wins?
Yes, I think it matters who wins. I don't want a left wing president appointing liberal judges to the supreme court. If for no other reason, we need Oblama out of office.
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Yes, I think it matters who wins. I don't want a left wing president appointing liberal judges to the supreme court. If for no other reason, we need Oblama out of office.
Not if Congress never approves anyone. Government sucks.
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the "machine" that is Capitol Hill, along with the Lobbying industry, and the Media won't let a true solution come to play. Even though most of us are moderates, the way to get elected is to polarize, and divide.

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I truely feel there number one motive is to create such a ruckus over any polarized topic so that people dont really see how much money they are stuffing into their own pockets from the lobyists. How a private corporation can legally "donate" money to a public offiicial is beyond me.
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And go get back to the real original point of this thread, does it matter who wins?
No it doesn't matter. Either way we are screwed. This whole blue team vs red team is a distraction.

George Has it correct......

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Divide and Conquer...

Make the stupid Americans think they're fiercely defending "the right side" of an issue, turning the other way while the government secretly fucks them over.
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No it doesn't matter. Either way we are screwed. This whole blue team vs red team is a distraction.

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George Carlin - Don\\\\\\\\\\'t Vote - YouTube
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glad we all got that out of our systems lol.

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