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Old January 23rd, 2012, 02:35 PM   #21
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Take it from someone who has owned and raced just about everything out there, including several years on the GNCC series. Go with the 450. Add a flywheel weight and the thing will be an excelent trail rig. On the current CRF450 I've been riding, you can leave the thing in 3 rd gear most of the day and lug it trough the corners like a tractor, yet open it up and skip across the sand whoops with a quick blip of the throttle. You hit an open section and it's nice to be able to grab another gear and leave your buddies in the dust. I find that when I'm on a 250F I'm all over the gear shifter and hard on the clutch trying to make power out of the thing. Each time I end up back on a 450F because the low end power and torque. If you are interested, I have a super clean 03' CRF450 all set up for trail that I'm getting reeady to sell. Once spring hits I plan on bringing it into the new shop, David Allen Racing Motorsports (the old Powers Motorsports) and it will sell fast. PM me if you are interested.
kelly this is who you need to talk to.

if i bought new and rode just trail.ktm 350. or any exc so you can plate it.

2504 strokes you need to keep reved too much and they are grenades..not reliable...
get a good used 450 and be done..or a new 350 ktm.
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Old January 23rd, 2012, 02:38 PM   #22
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450 without a doubt.
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Old January 23rd, 2012, 02:43 PM   #23
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i ride a crf250r but it is modded. im 6'2" and like 150. i have also ridin a stock 450 in the trails. the 450 is about 30 pounds heavier if i remember right. this was my first year serious into bikes and i dont reel like the 450 was to much bike for me at all. it has more torque then the 250 for sure but thats about it. the crf 450s are known for having garbage clutchs in them though, but for the arrange rider it doesn't make a difference, it was mostly racers bitchin about them. if my bike wasn't heavily modded i would want a 450, but i have no problem keepin up with the 450s. my 250 will do 80, but on the other hand the 250 is lighter and a little more maneuverable in the trails. you can only go so fast in the trails anyways its not like top speed is ever reached. i hope this helps.
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Old January 23rd, 2012, 02:46 PM   #24
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You can always ride a faster bike slower than the bike is capable of.

You can never ride a slower bike faster than the bike is capable of.
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Old January 23rd, 2012, 02:49 PM   #25
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Buy both. Take both. Ride both. Sell one you dont like. Or just buy the 450. I had a crf450 and it was awesome in the trails. Granted i'm 6ft 240lbs so the more power the better imo. Throttle control is key. You grab a handful of 450 and it will become just that, a handful. But if your slighty reserved and controled you'll have a blast on the 450. Plus if you ever want to go to the dunes you would beat a 250 to death trying to keep up.
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Old January 23rd, 2012, 02:50 PM   #26
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yea its easy to have whiskey throttle on a 450 lol
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Old January 23rd, 2012, 02:52 PM   #27
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You can always ride a faster bike slower than the bike is capable of.

You can never ride a slower bike faster than the bike is capable of.

This is what I was thinking.
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Old January 23rd, 2012, 02:54 PM   #28
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That looks like a nicely built bike.

For a newbie, both a 250f or a 450f will be more than you need, but that doesn't mean it will be overwhelming, just that you won't be riding either anywhere near its potential for a little while. Trail riding is some good fun.

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Old January 23rd, 2012, 03:05 PM   #29
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Aj hall..... Please do not give advice on what you do not know what the fukc you talking about.

Honestly Kelly being you just got engaged and don't have leanz on your insurance yet. I'd say a modern 250f would be just fine for you. Playing in the dirt is completely different then on the street. You can get your self in alot of trouble really fast in the dirt.

What year are you looking at is the main thing. The brand new bikes have alot smoother curve with the efi. The carb bikes hit alot harder and are alot more aggressive of a motor.
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Old January 23rd, 2012, 03:26 PM   #30
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the 450 is about 30 pounds heavier if i remember right. this was my first year serious into bikes and i dont reel like the 450 was to much bike for me at all. it has more torque then the 250 for sure but thats about it. the crf 450s are known for having garbage clutchs in them though, but for the arrange rider it doesn't make a difference, it was mostly racers bitchin about them.
30 pounds!!! Really?? Where the hell did you learn your math skills? 2012 Honda CRF450R weight 238# , 2012 Honda CRF250R weight 227#. According to the math professor I know that equals about 11 pounds difference. As for a garbage clutch, hum,,,,,, how about no. Yes 2009 had some problems but that is the only year, and that was only if you were a serious motocross racer who beat the hell out if it. The CRF450 clutch is one of the best longest lasting and smoothest clutches out there.

As for Live2mx's recomendation of a new KTM 350 XC-F, well since I now own a dealership, and we don't sell the orange brand I can not recommend it. But it is a really nice set up, the best attributes of both a 250F and the 450Fs. But it comes with a matching impresive price tag of $9149 MSRP where a new Honda CRF450 runs $8440 MSRP.

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Old January 23rd, 2012, 03:29 PM   #31
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I also said if i remember right, obviously i didn't, you dont have need to be a dick, and didn't i say that it was mostly racers bitching about the clutch not a average rider. You may have math skill but your reading comprehension sucks ass.
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I also said if i remember right, obviously i didn't, you dont have need to be a dick, and didn't i say that it was mostly racers bitching about the clutch not a average rider. You may have math skill but your reading comprehension sucks ass.



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I also said if i remember right, obviously i didn't, you dont have need to be a dick, and didn't i say that it was mostly racers bitching about the clutch not a average rider. You may have math skill but your reading comprehension sucks ass.
And obviously your reading skills suck as you missed the part where I stated only 2009 model year bikes had that problem, not a broad statement that they all have garbage clutches.

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Early year 450s have had clutch problems, i'm not saying do not buy this bike because of this at all. Like we both said only racers were having issues with them.
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As for my thirty pound weight difference that was between with x and r models, we have both so i confused my specs. If you look the r and x have exactly 30 pounds between them.
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i ride a 02 crf450r with a 480 big bore kit and i have never had any problems riding trails up north or dunes or tracks. id go with a 450 if i were you. and i still want mine to go faster.
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You can always ride a faster bike slower than the bike is capable of.

You can never ride a slower bike faster than the bike is capable of.
Very true! If you try they tend to break.

If your planning on riding with some guys who are on 450's then a 250 will feel very slow compared to the power they (450's) have out of the corners. If your riding with guys that have older bikes or 250's then get a 250 and you will be able to get a feel for riding and the the techniques better on the smaller more tame 250. Biggest problems with beginning riders and 450's in my opinion is there throttle response and hole-shot power they have. They can take off (and if your ready for it) its awesome! On the flip side of that and you hit the throttle to much on accident say bouncing off a tree, hit a whoop wrong, or tree roots/rocks then your going down fast and hard.

As its been said already, riding in dirt is way different then the street. A buddy of mine went riding with me once and he never left the property cause he had issues with controlling the bike in the sand and steering with the rear tire more than turning the front. He had been riding street bikes since he got his license, just never went in the dirt before. Take your time, dont be rushed, and enjoy yourself!
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Early year 450s have had clutch problems, i'm not saying do not buy this bike because of this at all. Like we both said only racers were having issues with them.
Actually the early CRF450 used the same tried and true clutch as the old CR500s did. And if it could hold up to the sheer abuse a 500 put to it then they were good to go in the 450Fs. In 2009 Honda changed the clutch from a six spring clutch to a four spring cluch in an effort to reduce rotating mass in the engines drivetrain for a quicker revving effect. The result was that the four heavier springs fatigued faster than the standard six spring set up causing the clutch to slip easier under excessive heat and abuse. An other common problem was that people did not understand Honda's split oil compartments and did not read the manual and would add the same synthetic oil that the motor side ran into the transmission side causing problems. The synthetic motor oil would cuase the clutches to slip due to the reduced friction with the synthetic. The manual stated very clearly that you where to run a transmission oil like Honda HP-trans in it.

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You can always ride a faster bike slower than the bike is capable of.

You can never ride a slower bike faster than the bike is capable of.
On the other hand, you look like less of a tool being the fast guy on the slower bike vs the slow guy on the fast bike.

More power will not automatically make you faster, especially in the woods.
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Actually the early CRF450 used the same tried and true clutch as the old CR500s did. And if it could hold up to the sheer abuse a 500 put to it then they were good to go in the 450Fs. In 2005 Honda changed the clutch from a six spring clutch to a four spring cluch in an effort to reduce rotating mass in the engines drivetrain for a quicker revving effect. The result was that the four heavier springs fatigued faster than the standard six spring set up causing the clutch to slip easier under excessive heat and abuse. An other common problem was that people did not understand Honda's split oil compartments and did not read the manual and would add the same synthetic oil that the motor side ran into the transmission side causing problems. The synthetic motor oil would cuase the clutches to slip due to the reduced friction with the synthetic. The manual stated very clearly that you where to run a transmission oil like Honda HP-trans in it.
I get the oil thing, but didn't they go to a four spring basket in 2009? I have never had clutch problems but im also not a racer. I always heard the early ones had not so good clutches. I guess i was wrong
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