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Old January 19th, 2012, 09:28 AM   #1
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Default So, help me out and tell me what is going to happen with the republicans now.

Cane couldn't keep his wang out of random girls, dropped out

Perry drops out and endorses gingrich

gingrich's wife does interview that will now air tonight where she says newt wanted an open marriage so he could stick his pecker in all sorts of woman.

yesterday, romney admits he has millions of dollars stashed away in the cayman islands.



so, ummm. yeah.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 09:30 AM   #2
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Old January 19th, 2012, 09:32 AM   #3
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None of em are perfect.
So we need to elect the one that is wiling to be in it for the people.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 09:42 AM   #4
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So we need to elect the one that is wiling to be in it for the people.
so you're voting for Ron Paul then, eh?
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Old January 19th, 2012, 09:53 AM   #5
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so you're voting for Ron Paul then, eh?
Voting for an imperfect and flawed candidate is one thing. Voting for a candidate that in his mind is doing the right thing is different then what most Americans believe is good for the country. Ron Paul is too much of an isolationist.
What would this world look like if America was not being the cop of the world?
I believe that we stick our noses in many places we don't need to be in, but plenty of good comes from what we do in helping poor and improvished nations.
What would come of other rogue nations if nobody was willing to step up and keep them from becoming to powerful?
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Well, I guess you have special powers to know what most people in America think

J/K

But I do believe that Ron Paul is the most intelligent of the GOP runners, and without a doubt is the most 'Republican' of the bunch. The GOP is losing its focus and just trying to hop on a bandwagon to win the election, as opposed to staying true to its roots.

Also, I don't think the US should police the world...like it or not, Libya is an example of how the international community can handle rogue asshats.

Just my opinion...flame away
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Old January 19th, 2012, 10:42 AM   #7
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They lose, Obama wins again.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 10:46 AM   #8
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"Different than what most Americans believe is good for the country."?

http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

"Do you approve or disapprove of the decision to remove all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the end of this year?
Approve. Disapprove. Unsure.
78% 21% 1%"

Meanwhile, every GOP candidate other than Paul insists that Obama pulling the troops out of Iraq was the wrong decision (despite the fact that Bush implemented that timetable...)

http://www.pollingreport.com/iran.htm

"What do you think the United States should do to get Iran to shut down its nuclear program: take military action against Iran now, use economic and diplomatic efforts but not take military action right now, or take no action against Iran at this time?
Military action. Economic and diplomatic efforts. No action. Unsure.
16% 65% 17% 1%"

Meanwhile, Gingrich, Santorum, etc, are already beating the war drum, essentially saying "either we attack them, or let them get a nuke." Guess they never heard of the Cold War? Seems to me like Paul's views are more in line with what Americans think is good for this country than the rest of the field...

Paul is not an isolationist. He's a non-interventionist. Isolationism means not getting involved with other countries at all. Non-interventionism is a PART of that, but not the whole story. Yes, isolationism means no wars, but that also means keeping trade internalized as well. Non-interventionism means not getting involved in the affairs of other nations that don't affect our own country, while participating in free trade with the rest of the world. As Thomas Jefferson said, "I deem [one of] the essential principles of our government [to be] peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." Isolationism would include things like trade embargoes, tariffs and import taxes, and economic sanctions. Incidentally, those very ideas are practiced by the current administration, and promoted by the other GOP candidates.

"helping poor and impoverished nations" sounds great and all, but that really hasn't been the focus of our international involvement in recent years. In '09, for example, we spent ~$45 billion in foreign assistance, and over $150 billion on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (which were neither poor nor impoverished).

(Sources: http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/12s1297.pdf and http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0933935.html)

Rogue nations? Like who, Iran? When we have NATO, military allies, and a massive naval fleet, do we really need close to 1,000 military bases in ~150 other countries? We can drop a cruise missile on a building anywhere in the world in a matter of hours, if not minutes...
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They lose, Obama wins again.
If Obama wins WE all Lose. Even you.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 11:29 AM   #10
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I don't like most of the field from an "electability" standpoint.

Ron Paul is too extreme to be effective - he really doesn't get much done as a Congresman because of his hard-line and inflexible positions. There's a fine line between "principled" and "ineffective", and he's on the wrong side of it. He'd be like Obie and have a hard time getting anything through the House & Senate even with a clear majority. And he's more of a Libertarian than . And if he runs third party, the need to just stand back and let the Obie train wreck happen, because it guarantees him the win.

I've always said Gingrich has too much baggage. Dumping one wife while she had cancer and then the next one after announcing she had MS has pretty well already sunk him with many women. Poor judgement is poor judgement. And there's way too many examples of him flip-flopping for cash out there as well. Damaged goods.

Ditton on Cain - I really liked him, and he was a good balance of realistic and agressive. Poor judgement again.

Perry - good riddance. As I've said, you don't get to be a Clinton/Gore staffer and suddenly wake up and realize you're a conservative . Hasta la vista.

Romney - I'm hoping that the Cayman Islands revelation isn't overplayed (yeah, right) - especially if there truly was no tax avoidance going on. However, his multi-millionaire status and Mormonism are going to be key topics. Their strategy with him is to portray him as "weird" and part of the mysterious world of finance that received bailouts and forecloses on people's homes. The only things going for him are a stated goal of torpedoing Obamacare before it's too late and a consistent stance on illegal immigration (i.e. he's "against" it and against amnesty). Still, Romneycare and his flip-flop there are going to be hard to overcome.

Santorum - pretty centrist, although too on illegal immigration. Maybe a decent centrist for a VP slot.

I like Huntsman as well, although he's more of a VP this time through.
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Ron Paul scares the hell out of me. In the last debate he stuttered and stammered and acted foolish. As soon as he gets flustered he loses all ability to speak coherently. I believe he will get run roughshod by other foreign leaders.

I think Newt is the best candidate but his baggage will probably kill him.
Romney is the most likeable by the moderates and undecided but his finances may kill him. If so, I can't believe he would be that stupid to not see this coming.
Santorum is the most steady of them all but is pretty young.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 11:36 AM   #12
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^^^^^^ You have pretty much hit everything correct, but... Gingrich, he did not dump his wife. She was in the hospital for a surgery, something cancer related but not serious. She asked him for the divorce. He stated all the falsehoods claimed by liberals on his website.
He does have plenty of baggage, but who doesn't?
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Newt - Progressive as any Liberal.

Romney - Weird ass Mormon. They scare me.

Paul - Great American, but foreign policy scares me. We cannot let Iran have nukes.

Santorum - Right now, I like him the best, but I dont think he will get the nomination.

I'm an anybody but Obama guy, so whoever gets the nomination will get my vote.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 12:05 PM   #14
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So we need to elect the one that is wiling to be in it for the people.
Might as well chalk this whole election year up as a loss then...
Not a Republican in the system gives two shits about the people, and the Democrats are twice as bad.
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The two most important issues for our county is immigration reform and debt reduction. We need to be able to support the people who live in our country with our own natural resources, should push come to shove. In order for that to happen we need less people, especially of the free loading variety.

We also need to stop the ridiculous entitlement bullshit. The only thing anyone in America is entitled to is Liberty, a hard day's work and decent pay.

I will vote for whoever makes the best case to fix our debt and immigration.
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Might as well chalk this whole election year up as a loss then...
Not a Republican running for President that gives two shits about the people, and the Democrats are twice as bad.
There are many good out there, most of them are too busy in Washington to run for President though.
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The two most important issues for our county is immigration reform and debt reduction. We need to be able to support the people who live in our country with our own natural resources, should push come to shove. In order for that to happen we need less people, especially of the free loading variety.

We also need to stop the ridiculous entitlement bullshit. The only thing anyone in America is entitled to is Liberty, a hard day's work and decent pay.

I will vote for whoever makes the best case to fix our debt and immigration.
Actually I like Mitt's stand on immigration. If they are here illegally, they must leave and get in the back of the line to come here legally. Makes good sense to me.
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They lose, Obama wins again.
You are the smartest man on this forum! Republicans are the devil!
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Actually I like Mitt's stand on immigration. If they are here illegally, they must leave and get in the back of the line to come here legally. Makes good sense to me.
I like that.
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Ron Paul is too extreme to be effective - he really doesn't get much done as a Congresman because of his hard-line and inflexible positions. There's a fine line between "principled" and "ineffective", and he's on the wrong side of it. He'd be like Obie and have a hard time getting anything through the House & Senate even with a clear majority. And he's more of a Libertarian than . And if he runs third party, the need to just stand back and let the Obie train wreck happen, because it guarantees him the win.
I agree that he hasn't proposed and passed much legislation as a Congressman (only 1 bill actually, I believe), but I don't quite agree that "passing bills" should be the metric of accomplishment as a Congressman. Do we really -need- more laws and bills? He votes on other bills. That's his job. As a 12-term congressman, I would posit that he must be doing a pretty good job...

Also, I agree that it would be hard for him to get things through the Legislative branch, but 1. Presidents don't write legislation, they just promote their agenda... and 2. He's principled, but he's also pretty smart. While he's voted against a lot of legislation in the House, I don't see him vetoing bills if sending it back to the house/senate would ultimately hurt the American people.

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Ron Paul scares the hell out of me. In the last debate he stuttered and stammered and acted foolish. As soon as he gets flustered he loses all ability to speak coherently. I believe he will get run roughshod by other foreign leaders.
Yeah, he may not be the best orator, with a sparkling presidential appearance, but I think only sheep/idiots base their opinion of a president on how well he speaks. he world is not a high school debate club. I think foreign leaders are more apt to respect him on the grounds of his foreign policy stance.

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The two most important issues for our county is immigration reform and debt reduction. We need to be able to support the people who live in our country with our own natural resources, should push come to shove. In order for that to happen we need less people, especially of the free loading variety.

We also need to stop the ridiculous entitlement bullshit. The only thing anyone in America is entitled to is Liberty, a hard day's work and decent pay.

I will vote for whoever makes the best case to fix our debt and immigration.
While all of the candidates have proposed spending cuts of various kinds, most of their claimed "cuts" reflect cuts to already-proposed INCREASES, so in most cases, spending is still going up... Meanwhile, their tax plans would reduce federal tax revenue by 2015 by anywhere from 600 billion to 1.3 TRILLION dollars (see: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...l?ref=politics ). So, long story short, the deficit will continue to rise.

Paul's proposed budget would cut federal spending by $1 TRILLION the first year. That's huge, and it may sound drastic, but it's necessary to keep this country from drowning in its own debt...
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