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Old January 13th, 2012, 07:44 AM   #1
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looking at getting a set of spydertrax or trailgear 1.5" wheel spacers. I need them to clear my shocks without cutting up my tub.

just wondering if anyone has run these and if they had any issues or breakage because of it.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 07:48 AM   #2
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i run 1.5" on my 8.8 and D30 and haven't had any issues.

I was always skeptical about them though, but they were on the axles when i bought them to clear my high steer knuckle.

I've put probably 5k miles on them and they were on the axles for 4 years prior to me.

put some anitseize between the spacer and your hub if you dont paint them. Or you might be the next douchnozzle with a i cant get my tire off thread!!!!
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Old January 13th, 2012, 07:56 AM   #3
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I ran them on my ZJ when I was running a 44/9 combo with 38" claws. I never had any issues and I beat on it pretty hard.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 08:21 AM   #4
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I have them on my rear axle. I anti seized them and then put a little blue locktite on the wheel studs. I have checked them several times and none of them have backed off at all.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 08:36 AM   #5
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I had a set on my V8 YJ for about 28,000 miles. I beat the hell out of them on the trails when i had that setup. I never had any issues. I currently have a set on the rear of my CJ2A to space the rear axle out to better match the front and eliminate some rubbing on the wheel wells.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 08:45 AM   #6
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I don't run wheel spacers, but I did once temporarily run a stack of washers to clear my calipers and get my truck out of my fathers garage. And I love your butterfly shirt.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 09:07 AM   #7
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Ran 1.5" marlin crawler spacers for years on my Toyota.

First setup: Front and rear 1.5" spacers on narrow 85 axles.
Second setup: Front only with IFS rear axle
Third setup: Rear only on IFS axle to match diamond +6 front axle.

Used them both with drums and discs on the back, never had any issues with flange wobble/runout or bending the axle flange from extra leverage. (that can cause problems if you run rear discs).

I also never had any loosening issues. Torque them per recommendations, then drive, torque again after 10-20 miles, and again maybe after another 50 miles and a few heat cycles. The aluminum will heat and expand more than the steel studs and can stretch them a little.


The only 'issue' I had with them is the leverage they put on the steering system/knuckles. Example: On one trail in Tellico, we could not continue up due to another group stuck/broke in front of us, so decided to turn around. It was one of those trails cut into the mountainside, so needed about a 10 point turn to get my long wheelbase 'yota turned around. I would crawl the back end up the mountain as far as it would go before turning the wheels. So you've got the back end way up, all the weight goes on the fronts. The leverage this put on the front wheels made it almost impossible to turn them.

When I ditched the stock housing for a 62" diamond housing, steering was much much improved.

My 38.5" x 14.5 SXs steered easier on the trail than my 36x12.5" SXs with the spacers. (Stock IFS power steering, no hydro assist in either case).

If you run hydro, then its not an issue of stretngh but can then be more likely to break ball joints or steering arm studs.

So thats the only real downside I had. A benefit to some is it will push the wheels farther our for more brake clearance and the hubs protrude less.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 09:15 AM   #8
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I'll throw my bad experience out there... I had a set on my TJ with a Dana 30 / 8.8 combo and 35's. I randomly had a front wheel fall off with no warning or previous symptoms while driving down 131. Luckily there was no serious damage and nobody got hurt. I ALWAYS use a torque wrench, and even used red loctite on the hub to spacer lugs. The factory studs on the Jeep holding the spacer on sheared and the spacer / wheel and tire combo went bouncing down the highway. There were no signs of the nuts being loose etc, so the extra stress took them out or they were fatigued from other factors... either way it scared me away from ever wanting to run spacers again...
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Old January 13th, 2012, 09:23 AM   #9
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I ran a set for a summer to simulate full width before I made the move to see if I liked it. No problems.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 10:40 AM   #10
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I ran 2 inch eight lug ones on my old SAS jimmy for about 25,000 miles, a good 1-2 thousand of that was VERY hard wheeling in rocks and such. No problems whatsoever. Keep in mind some vehicles came stock with spacers.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 10:43 AM   #11
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http://www.arrowcraft.com/

i have those on a truck we converted to a small dump. just go with a good quality spacer like spydertrax and dont buy ebay garbage.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 10:46 AM   #12
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I have never understood how they would put any more pressure on ball joints, bearings etc. than running a different offset wheel (which does this as well)? The extra lug nuts just add another possible failure point over the wheel is all?
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Old January 13th, 2012, 06:16 PM   #13
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thanks for the input guys! they are only going on the rear. so steering will not be an issue.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 06:33 PM   #14
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Ran then for years on my old blaZeR2, and now on my JK. make sure the hub is clean before there installed, used locktite, a torque wrench, and install correctly.

Most are lug centric so you CANT just crank one down tight then move on. Tighten then all equally to ensure its centered.

There are three types...

Lug centric, cheapest cost relys on only the studs to center the spacer/adapter

Hub centric, inner bore is machined to fit on your vechicles hub just as an OEM wheel.

Hub and wheel centric, most pricey, silmilur to hub centric BUT also extend that machined lip out so that your OEM wheel will fit snuggly as if its on the normal hub.

Now most after market wheels are lug centric only. So less you have oem/oem spec wheels, or hub rings you can use lug/hub only to save cash.

Just like anything you get what you pay for, buy from a good company with good feedback. I have also had great luck on ebay from a usa/made in usa seller for these.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 07:05 PM   #15
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2" in front, 1.5" in the rear. both garbage ebay ones. cranked them on as tight as i could with blue locktite. re-torqued them after first trip. tried to re-torque them after second trip, but they were too tight to move. anti-seize on lugs for the wheel. so far no issues?

just on tons and 42's, no real stress there. i really baby it.
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I have never understood how they would put any more pressure on ball joints, bearings etc. than running a different offset wheel (which does this as well)? The extra lug nuts just add another possible failure point over the wheel is all?
THey don't, per se. But consider, on the toyota, where I was already running 3.375" backspaced wheels. So with the 1.5", its like running 1.875" backspaced wheels, which would be pretty extreme. With either front tire being 38.5"x14.5" on heavy 9" wide beadlocks (135 lbs per tire/wheel), its a lot of stress compared to stock.

That was a toyota axle, I ran new kingpin bearings, upgraded knuckle studs and steering arms. I had zreo problems. But the steering effort was drastically better when I removed them. Its a longer lever, the further they are outward fromt he kingpin/pall joint axis...
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Old January 14th, 2012, 02:25 PM   #17
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has anyone ran a set on a mainly street driven vehicle at highway speeds? recommendations? thoughts? concerns?
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Old January 14th, 2012, 08:22 PM   #18
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I ran a 2" ebay garbage set on my BDMT for a year or two. I never had an issue, but I babied the truck.
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Old January 14th, 2012, 08:43 PM   #19
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has anyone ran a set on a mainly street driven vehicle at highway speeds? recommendations? thoughts? concerns?
I had a third gen Z28 with spacers to fit fourth gen wheels.At first I did not trust them,after a few months I forgot they were on the car.
I never had any issues,and I've been known to push my cars harder in corners then most people.I do recomend buying a quality product,and retorquing often.
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Old January 14th, 2012, 08:48 PM   #20
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I had them on the wj in my avatar for over 30k miles with no issues. It was my dd and went to the dunes a few times.
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