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Old January 10th, 2012, 12:21 PM   #1
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I'm looking for recommendations on lock out hubs for a Dana 44. Warn premiums seem to be the favorite of the off road world, but this sport is constantly evolving and there might be something else out there.

I would also like to know what the warranty's are for any recommendation. I have found out that my broken Superwinch lockouts carry a one year warranty and you have to be the original purchaser.

The Warn's state that they have a limited life time warranty, what does this mean? Does this warranty cove breakages due to abuse, or is it limited to manufacture defects?
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Old January 10th, 2012, 12:55 PM   #2
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I'm looking for recommendations on lock out hubs for a Dana 44. Warn premiums seem to be the favorite of the off road world, but this sport is constantly evolving and there might be something else out there.

I would also like to know what the warranty's are for any recommendation. I have found out that my broken Superwinch lockouts carry a one year warranty and you have to be the original purchaser.

The Warn's state that they have a limited life time warranty, what does this mean? Does this warranty cove breakages due to abuse, or is it limited to manufacture defects?
A "warranty" covers manufacturers defects.

A "guarantee" covers breakage due to abuse.

"This warranty does not apply (i) to finish, or (ii) if the hub has been damaged by accident, abuse, misuse, collision, overloading, modification, misapplication, improper installation, or improper service. Commercial or Industrial use or application voids the warranty."
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Old January 10th, 2012, 01:09 PM   #3
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A "warranty" covers manufacturers defects.

A "guarantee" covers breakage due to abuse.

"This warranty does not apply (i) to finish, or (ii) if the hub has been damaged by accident, abuse, misuse, collision, overloading, modification, misapplication, improper installation, or improper service. Commercial or Industrial use or application voids the warranty."
Thanks but I just got off the phone with Superwinch and I asked outright if I break a new hub from over sized tires and locker what would happen. I was told that they would be covered under the one year warranty. Does Warn operate like this? or do they use your definition of a warranty?

Also being a dealer what brand of lockouts seem to be the best? As far as breakages and warranty issues, along with over all customer satisfaction.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 01:29 PM   #4
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A "warranty" covers manufacturers defects.

A "guarantee" covers breakage due to abuse.

"This warranty does not apply (i) to finish, or (ii) if the hub has been damaged by accident, abuse, misuse, collision, overloading, modification, misapplication, improper installation, or improper service. Commercial or Industrial use or application voids the warranty."
According to my supplier, this is not exactly true. And no, I'm not trying to start an argument...I'm only trying to get accurate information...

I have submitted warranties for broken WARN premium hubs and they have been replaced. These were breakages from use and not manufacturer's defect.

'Warranty' does not always mean manufacturer's defect warranty only.

For example, the lifetime replacement warranty that comes with all 4340 Yukon Chromo axles is a breakage warranty. And it is not limited to one replacement. They do reserve the right to give you your money back instead of a new axle shaft after the first replacement.

So it is our understanding here (based on info from our supplier) that WARN premium hubs carry a warranty that includes replacement of broken units.
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I broke around 8 warn premium hubs on my 44 back in the day and all of them were covered no questions asked by my local napa.
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I ran warn d35 ttb lockouts and my napa warrantied them 4 times within a year with no hassle.
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Good to know about Napa. Did they have the lockouts in stock or did they have to order them?
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According to my supplier, this is not exactly true. And no, I'm not trying to start an argument...I'm only trying to get accurate information...
Just to clarify, what I posted (in quotations) is direct from Warn's warranty statement:

http://www.warn.com/corporate/images/907/hubwarr.pdf

A lot of manufacturers will warranty a broken hub. I've warrantied Teraflex, Mile Marker, Warn, and Rugged Ridge. Some were messed up right out of the box and others were obviously abused but all were warrantied.

The manufacturer writes their warranties to cover their ass. Most of the time they will warranty an item, but they have documentation to back them up if they decide not to.

Therefore, when it comes to hubs, we sell mostly Mile Marker and Warn and have had very few warranty issues. I don't think you could go wrong either way. For some reason, Superwinch hubs don't sell well (at least in Michigan).
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I have superwinch hubs on all my 4x4's. Never had an issue with warranty. I flat out lost an entire hub assembly, and they mailed me a new one, not a set, no questions asked.
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I always ran Superwinch. I usually carried one spare, then a pair of spare OEM D44 flanges. Like anyone wheeling a d44 hard I broke a ton of hubs, and then a lot of shafts once I switched to flanges and it turned into "stupid hour."

That said I could usually tell when I was in a situation where I was going to break a hub. So it was easy to just chose a better line or pull cable... though sometimes you just have to make it :)
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I ran the cheap looking stock ford (cheap warns) lockouts back in the day. Figured they would be the "fuse". I broke 3 yukon 44 shafts, inners and outers, but never broke the lockout. Same hub with all the broken yukons.
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I ran the cheap looking stock ford (cheap warns) lockouts back in the day. Figured they would be the "fuse". I broke 3 yukon 44 shafts, inners and outers, but never broke the lockout. Same hub with all the broken yukons.
Oh yeah, totally forgot about the Spicers! Those worked awesome, I don't think I ever broke one, but I can't remember where I wheeled with them

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