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Old January 9th, 2012, 11:49 AM   #1
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I am considering welding the spider gears for my d44 f150 sas. Now I know this is a teribble idea when done in the rear to drive on the street. Be cause the front axle has manual hubs I know it will be fine on the street in 2whelel but in slippery street conditions couldn't I just lock one hub in and it would act like an open diff? Let me know if my idea makes sence and will work like I'm geussing. I'm just trying to keep the budget down and thought this might work
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Old January 9th, 2012, 11:54 AM   #2
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on hub will constantly want to pull the steering. It will suck even more. Forget about street driving with hubs in if you are welding up the front.

If you are going to do it, I learned that if you phase your you joints in the front than it will help you be able to turn easier without having to be rolling to turn.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 12:01 PM   #3
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on hub will constantly want to pull the steering. It will suck even more. Forget about street driving with hubs in if you are welding up the front.

If you are going to do it, I learned that if you phase your you joints in the front than it will help you be able to turn easier without having to be rolling to turn.
Actually phasing the joints will help you more when its rolling.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 12:19 PM   #4
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Buddy did it in the up. It was funny cause his rider was always in and out of the truck before every mud hole to lock and unlock the hubs. But on a cheaper note. it worked. We left the locker locked in when at R&v in the twisty trails and its a bitch to turn but we did it. It was a litlle easier when you popped it back into 2 though..
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what does "phase the u joints" mean?
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Old January 18th, 2012, 06:24 AM   #6
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what does "phase the u joints" mean?

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On that question?
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Old January 18th, 2012, 06:41 AM   #7
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You line them up so that they are the same on both sides kinda like this: + + . The joint would be straight on one side and straight on the other side too.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 06:29 AM   #8
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yep you want ++ not +x
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Dumb idea . I almost did mine. I would either buy a lunchbox locker or leave it open. If you do any street driving at all in the winter I would leave it open. Then again a arb would be the best of both worlds. I have a spool in rear and it does ok on the street. I don't drive on the road much though
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Old January 19th, 2012, 06:56 AM   #10
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Save your money and install a Detroit Quiet Locker. I put one on my Metro (had Rockwells) and it was awesome. It made no noise and I had zero issues turning.

When I was active in mudding, I can't tell you how many people I've seen with welded front diffs that had to make 35 point turnes to get around a corner. Yes, you will see a vast improvement in traction going through the mud but it's more of a pain in the ass than it's worth.
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Yeah geuss its a bad idea. I had a detroit tru track in my ranger and it did great on and off road. If I could find a used one again for the 44 id be set
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Old January 19th, 2012, 09:15 AM   #12
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I run welded front diff I'n my 91 yj with a waggy 44 with hubs. And stock style steering set up. With 35" tires.

I love it.

I can steer just fine I'n most condisons. You do lose some turning radious but has not really effected me. As far as street driving I just run 2 wheel.

If I was going to spend the money on a locker it would be a arb hands down.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 09:45 AM   #13
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Ok.... Why do you think a welded rear would be bad? I dd my s10 with a spool in the rear and it was never an issue?
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You line them up so that they are the same on both sides kinda like this: + + . The joint would be straight on one side and straight on the other side too.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 09:49 PM   #15
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I run a spool in the rear and a welded lockright (works like a mini spool now) in the front and like it very much
Drawbacks on pavement with both hubs locked is very hard to make slow corners. With just one hub locked it steers just fine no problem making the turn. With only one hub locked on pavement it pulls alot but its very predictable and controlable.
I do not have the ability to switch 2wd at the t-case it is locked all the time ( I run both hubs unlocked for 2wd). I think if my t-case had the ability to swtch to 2wd and/or the ability to do a front dig (future upgrade) then that would be even better.



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