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Old January 6th, 2012, 07:21 AM   #1
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Ford V10 experience

I'm researching 3/4 ton gas tow rigs and right now the 2005-2010 F250 with the 3-valve V10 seems like the best option to me. Anyone on here have experience with them? Aside from the 2 piece sparkplug issue, what else should I be aware of?

I'll be pulling a 24' enclosed trailer in the 9-10k range when it's loaded. Fuel economy is not a concern since this is not a daily driver.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 07:39 AM   #2
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Not that it totally applies to your application, but way back in school I moonlighted as a dyno tech and we did some durability on that engine. It impressed me then and I still hold that respect:
We ran a cycle that ran the engine up to 4000 RPM WOT with coolant set to 230F and oil to 270F for ten minutes, then turned the fuel off, motored it at 1000 RPM WOT (to pump cool air through it) and set the coolant and oil temps to "city water" temps for ten minuttes. Basically - that engine went from full load, high temperatures to no load, 60F temperatures every 20 minutes - for months on end.

Never failed a motor, always passed compression and leakdown testing and never lost peak power. We were doing exhaust manifold durability - the engine was expanding and contracting enough over those temperatures that it would start to crack the cast iron exhaust manifolds!

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Old January 6th, 2012, 07:42 AM   #3
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I've heard very good things about these engines from friends who work/have worked at Ford as well as very highly respected members of the media who really know trucks. I think it provides a good balance between power and price for my intended use.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 07:47 AM   #4
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I've never heard any bad about the V10 in general, sure they all have a problem with this or that here or there. I didn't get one due to the fuel mileage concerns when running empty since I really don't tow all that often anymore it was a concern of mine.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 08:02 AM   #5
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I have one in my Excursion which I think is the generation before the 3v. Only problem I have is the exhaust manifold studs breaking. Not sure if the new ones have that problem at all.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 08:41 AM   #6
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we use the 3v here at Ford Dyno all the time, they are bullit proof, we use them to break in cell, for work horses, and they are always comming in still for testing cause there still used in the comerical trucks, they never have a problem they always make it thru testing with out any hic-ups..... I have looked at getting one my self, the cost of the used trucks is greatly reduced with one (they seem to be harded to find). gas milage keep me away from them though, 12 mpg seem to be the best anyone gets empty. but you get really no worse then 10 fully loaded.

on a side note because I am looking to get a larger turck myself i crunched some numbers and at roughly current gas prices diesels are about 17 cents a mile (give or take a little for mpg, used my buddies 24mpg in his cummins empty) with general maintance such as oil changes. my hemi is costing me 20 cents a mile at 16 mpg empty..... I would be willing to say at 10 to 12 mpg of the V10 it would cost about 22 cents a mile.
these are just rough figures based on my driving and towing style
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Old January 6th, 2012, 08:46 AM   #7
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Not to highjack, but my 2011 Sierra just averaged 15.2 mpg over a 1700 mile trip (unloaded) - with the 6.0L & 6 speed trans.

Also, FWIW, I would recommend using 18 or 20 MPG unloaded when computing the cpm cost of a diesel truck.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 08:53 AM   #8
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i was just giveing it as a refference i know there not perfect numbers but those where the olny ones I knew I could get that wasnt a guess or someone giving me BS numbers, i got those numbers right off our trucks.


unless your only concern is up front costs of the truck, I think the diesel over the long run for both towing and DD is best.

Never thought I would say it cause I always siad there is no reason for a diesl unless you tow heavy loads every weekend at the very least.
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Again, I'm not at all concerned with fuel economy or daily driving this truck. It'll be used for towing a loaded trailer 95% of the time.
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Not to turn this into a fuel mileage discussion, but scooter is right, 18-20 mpg is MUCH more reasonable empty, anything 20+ is REALLY hard to come by on a consistent basis.
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the engineers in charge of testing the v10 always say i dont under stand why people didnt like them, there cheaper then a diesel but have far less issues the tne 6.0 and 6.4L powerstorkes.......
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It is hard to argue for anything over a diesel when you see the torque output is roughly twice of its gasser counterpart. Anyone that tows seriously - and frequents any altitude benefits with the diesel.

I was a big proponent of diesel trucks until I started paying attention to the industry and around it:

- Incredibly strict emission regulation adds up front and maintenance costs;
- ULSD will get more pricey as time goes on: this is due to ports like California making cargo ships use it within a few hundred miles of shoreline (instead of burning the thick leftovers they currently do)
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Yep, emissions regulations have pretty much negated the traditional advantages of a diesel unless you absolutely need the extra power because you tow at altitudes. As more DI and turbos end up on gas engines, I have a hard time justifying a diesel in any new vehicle.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 10:00 AM   #14
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Not to highjack, but my 2011 Sierra just averaged 15.2 mpg over a 1700 mile trip (unloaded) - with the 6.0L & 6 speed trans.

Also, FWIW, I would recommend using 18 or 20 MPG unloaded when computing the cpm cost of a diesel truck.
What engine, 5.3 or 6.0, how long before it starts burning a quart every 1,000 miles.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 10:03 AM   #15
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What engine, 5.3 or 6.0, how long before it starts burning a quart every 1,000 miles.
6.0L and
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Old January 6th, 2012, 11:35 AM   #16
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I just have one thing to add....

the V10 sounds niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice when you jump on it with a good exhaust.

thats all children.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 11:56 AM   #17
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the engineers in charge of testing the v10 always say i dont under stand why people didnt like them, there cheaper then a diesel but have far less issues the tne 6.0 and 6.4L powerstorkes.......
Given the mentality of the people in this country I'd say it has a lot to do with its easier mentally to pay a couple bucks more a month on your loan than it is to fill up the tank twice as often.

I'm considering the next 3/4 we get not being a diesel. Not even sure I'd look at the V10 honestly... We have almost no need for it. When I got Kerry's truck I had dreams of grandeur of towing our camper and jeep all over God's green acre. Since we bought it we brought our camper back from Drummond Island, and towed the TJ to R&V once, and to the Mounds twice. Hardly worth owning something that costs 8k more and burns fuel thats 50 cents more per gallon.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 12:30 PM   #18
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Thats kinda odd. I just did a search for gas F250's on Autotrader and it only found like 9 of them within 50 miles of here...
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Old January 6th, 2012, 12:31 PM   #19
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Hardly worth owning something that costs 8k more and burns fuel thats 50 cents more per gallon.
I just paid $3.67 for regular unleaded.
I paid $3.69 yesterday to fill up my truck with diesel.
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I just paid $3.67 for regular unleaded.
I paid $3.69 yesterday to fill up my truck with diesel.
I just looked across the street at Speedway and they have the same prices.

Until last week though diesel was $3.99 and gas was like $3.39 or something.

I guess gas prices can be added to the adage about Michigan weather...

I suppose though the long term trend still holds to the 50 cents more per gallon.
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