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Old December 27th, 2011, 03:47 PM   #1
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anyone run one? I see 35 gpm is common and for big bucks you can go for the 55 gph model.
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Old December 27th, 2011, 04:04 PM   #2
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Any particular reason, or do you just want an additional part to fail on your rig?
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I see no reason in a trail rig to deviate from factory cooling systems. Not to squash any out of the box thinking, I've done my share of trial and error. And, at the end of the day, I'm back to factory stuff.
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Old December 27th, 2011, 04:54 PM   #4
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Yeah scooter that is a big reason holding me back...however I hear great things with the people that do run them on the street in a DD with high HP engines. I like you can cool the engine down while its off.

I fight heating issues while at silver lake....now I am not exactly sure if it would level off as I do not let it get over 215-220... On the street it runs great and fan only kicks on when I'm at a light or in slow moving traffic. When in the drive way I can idle it and it will keep cool with the fan.

Seems when at silver lake in 4 low and having the pedal to the floor it gets hot quick. Once it gets hot it takes a while to get cool again. My radiator is from summit and is a universal crossflow with 1" thick cores and it has 2. The fan is a black magic 5.0 mustang fans use and is 3,000 cfm. It has a built in shroud. My stat is a 180*.

Is it possible that with the high revs the water pump is cavitating ?? I only take it to 5500rpm

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My big issue I think that MIGHT be causing issues is my ghetto lower radiator hose job. The radiator is on the Driver side, and the water pump is on the Pass. side...... so as you can imagine I had to take two hoses and connect them and its long.
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Old December 27th, 2011, 04:57 PM   #5
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The water pump I have is a mopar performance.... I just looked it up on summit and this is what it says. "These high-flow aluminum pumps are designed for high-performance and for racing small block Chryslers. The six-blade impeller pumps are recommended for use on drag racing engines with iron heads" Could that mean it pumps TOO much?

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what mix are you running your coolant at? 50/50 or... i personally prefer to run more water and less coolant at a ratio of 70/30. as you may know water does a better job at carrying heat then glycol. i have seen idiots fill the system with straight glycol with no water then wonder why it overheats. not saying this is the case with you, just saying proper coolant ratio plays a bigger part then some may think. on another note you have to be careful with water pump flow too much can hurt you just as much as too little.
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The water pump I have is a mopar performance.... I just looked it up on summit and this is what it says. "These high-flow aluminum pumps are designed for high-performance and for racing small block Chryslers. The six-blade impeller pumps are recommended for use on drag racing engines with iron heads" Could that mean it pumps TOO much?
I installed a hi flow pump and my engine ran hotter. I don't know if it flowed too fast but I know it made things worse.
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Something to keep in mind is that the coolant has to move slow enough to cool off in the radiator.
I would go back to a stock water pump and spend the $$$ on a 2 speed taurus fan.
I flogged my junk to redline with a winch mounted to a skid plate covering 90% of my grill and with that fan running on high, I could run it all day an not have an issue.

You may need tp upgrade your alt of you instal that fan though. I think it pulls something like 50 or 60 amps.
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Old December 27th, 2011, 10:52 PM   #9
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That black magic fan was never a bit hit in the mustang crowd. It's fine for a bolt on car, but that's it. I imagine a v8 Jeep is not much different. A factory Taurus fan might do better.
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The water pump I have is a mopar performance.... I just looked it up on summit and this is what it says. "These high-flow aluminum pumps are designed for high-performance and for racing small block Chryslers. The six-blade impeller pumps are recommended for use on drag racing engines with iron heads" Could that mean it pumps TOO much?
note: typically I see these used at the strip only where there is an extreme amount of heat built up in a short amount of time. The added flow helps the entire engine warm evenly to help avoid hot/cold spots and cracking heads and blocks.

I'm not sure if they are applicable to circle track and sprint car stuff though- not my forte'.
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really great info guys, thanks!

The mixture is just enough to keep me safe for the MI winter. I think -20 so whatever that equates out to. I run a powermaster ford 1 wire alternator that puts out 140 amps.

I put a smaller 1500 cfm fan on the front of the radiator behind the grill and it seemed runing them both helped a great amount. I also have a small trans cooler in front that is spaced off the rad.

I was thinking of buying a new radiator and water pump and came across dual and triple pass. Some say they work great, others say it causes flow issues with the increase of resistance.

I guess, what do you V8 guys run? Lucky me picking a mopar which I hear runs hotter by nature.

I'll look into a torass fan.
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really great info guys, thanks!

The mixture is just enough to keep me safe for the MI winter. I think -20 so whatever that equates out to. I run a powermaster ford 1 wire alternator that puts out 140 amps.

I put a smaller 1500 cfm fan on the front of the radiator behind the grill and it seemed runing them both helped a great amount. I also have a small trans cooler in front that is spaced off the rad.

I was thinking of buying a new radiator and water pump and came across dual and triple pass. Some say they work great, others say it causes flow issues with the increase of resistance.

I guess, what do you V8 guys run? Lucky me picking a mopar which I hear runs hotter by nature.

I'll look into a torass fan.
I had the 5.2 dodge in mine and had no issues once I added that fan.

Good luck!
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Old December 27th, 2011, 11:50 PM   #13
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hmm... I'll have to search the you pull yards. Now I "heard" you want the area of the radiator to be at least the same cubic inch as the engine plus 50... if this is true than mine is around 330.
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Do you have a good fan shroud? That made the biggest improvement for me. Keep in mind that if you just bolt a fan to the face of a radiator you are really only getting air flow through 50-60% of the radiator. The rest has no flow. If you go with an electric fan, you should build a box that is offset from the radiator so it pulls through the entire surface. Also, make sure you pull through the radiator, not push.
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Also look for a dual focus fan set up, those pull a ton of air as well. I think your water pump is fine, I would guess you need more air across the radiator. I run a fan off a contour and it has no problem cooling 650 HP but I also run E85 which helps some.
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The Taurus fan/shroud fits Jeep radiators nicely. That fan can pull a small child against your grille. 31x19 I believe.
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Old December 28th, 2011, 02:57 PM   #17
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I just use the shroud that the fan has built into it. It does cover rite up to the edges.... I think my fin density is low. I'm going to buy the biggest rad I can get stuffed behind the YJ grill and go from there. The fan is also Pulling air.

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I think the shroud is a big factor.... plus I do not have the edges of the radiator blocked off which allows air to bypass. I'll buy new radiator so I get the hoses on the correct side, and than find a cookie pan I can use as a shroud. I need to change water pump gasket so not sure if I should buy a new one or not.... I like changing one thing at a time to see what actually helps.

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I just ordered a new dual flow radiator with a 3,000 cfm fan and shroud. Good for up to 600 hp. I guess my radiator I bought from summitracing was for circle track racing which the guy said is good for up to about 300 hp.
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Love my etc pump and fan to cool down fast, after it gets warm,but a good shroud and proper set up, is much better, just make sure you run the restricted plate in place of the thermostate if you don't have something to hinder flow it won't keep cool as previously mentioned and beta up to fast. But if you run a regular thermastat when it get to its temp it will stop the flow of water and burn up your pump
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I run a 180 stat. It seems the radiator is just undersized and limited to only 300hp. I do not know the output of my engine but its a mild built small bock mopar. Either way, I hope this solves the issue I have been chasing for 5 years now. Sucks when your playing in the sand and the temp gets hot and you have to shut it down and wait a little.
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