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Old December 25th, 2011, 08:57 PM   #1
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I need something to store firearms and other valuables in. What's everyone got?

The fireproof thing is nice, but why do I foresee the carpet most are lined with simply melting all over my items inside? Really I want to protect from theft more than anything - and in this regard I could do something cool like this: http://www.silverlakeforum.com/index...c,15672.0.html.

Thoughts? I'll spend the $$ if they're worth it, but the fire issue has me wondering. I know most are 'rated' for XXX time at XXX degrees...but again, the carpet likely melts long before those temps are sustained internally.
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Old December 26th, 2011, 12:48 AM   #2
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I just picked up one of these on the 24th. Probably not the best safe out there, but I was sick of looking, researching, and tripping over guns and cases that wouldn't fit in existing cabinets. It was on sale at the local Dunhams for $1099, and knocked off another $100 for being a floor model. At $1059 with tax, I decided it would do well enough. It is a Stack-On Elite 45 gun.

I'm not so much worried about theft, more about little hands finding their way in, and myself misplacing stuff without a good place to put it. Realistically, I could have just used a few school lockers or something, but I think the added safety against theft and fire will be nice.

I got the keypad as opposed to the combo for two reasons. One, that's what the floor model was, and two, it is faster for me to access. I hate locking anything, so the easier it is for me, the less it will bother me.

Quality wise, it seems up to today's crappy standards. There isn't much I run across anymore that really impresses me with quality, and this is no exception. It looks as nice, and works on par with everything else, but the carpet on the inside isn't very well tucked into the corners, the dividers aren't plumb, and the shelves aren't exactly the same size.

Anyway, I'm happy with it so far.
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Old December 26th, 2011, 09:35 AM   #3
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I picked this one up at gander mountain a couple weeks ago on sale for $1,399 and got a local trucking company to deliver it for $210

http://www.gandermountain.com/modper...1&merchID=4006



the thing is huge!
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Damn, you've got a nice box!

I looked at that one too, and it was on sale as well. I probably should have gone with that one for a little extra money, I'll have half of the price difference just getting the pistol rack on the door.

I'm planning on a remodel with a basement extension including a built in vault, so it is temporary.

A good thing about safes is that they seem to hold their value well. Most used safes I found are $50-100 less than brand new, and require you to haul them out of someones basement!
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I built a tin-can.
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Picked one up at lowes.
Centurion by Liberty Safe 12 Cu. Ft Model ce-12bk
Got it on sale for $270 great safe plenty of room for my weapons of distruction. Doesn't require cases of beer and friends to help move either.
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Centurion by Liberty Safe 12 Cu. Ft Model ce-12bk
Got it on sale for $270 great safe plenty of room for my weapons of distruction. Doesn't require cases of beer and friends to help move either.
That doesn't seem to be a bad setup. For the price and the "doesn't require cases of beer and friends to help move either" comment I had expected it to really be a gun cabinet.

Looks like its even fire rated.

It shows it at $397 now online

If I get one I think I want one with a keypad or biometric. I know, those need batteries, they can fail, etc... But in a SHTF situation I don't want to be "20 right...30 left...fuck I went to far, start over, shit I didn't clear it out...fuck...I'm dead"

Actually we have a basement that has zero use beyond storage for us. I'm thinking about building a gun room down there. A place where I can clean my stuff, work on it, reload, etc... Brick walls, commercial steel door, some sort of dehumidifier, exhaust fan, etc... Then the next owners of the house can think we were nut bags until they realize its a great place to keep bad kids :)
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looks cool but after my parents house burned down while i was there and we lost 20+ i wont have anything that isnt fireproof. just my .02
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looks cool but after my parents house burned down while i was there and we lost 20+ i wont have anything that isnt fireproof. just my .02
Home owners insurance? That's my thought. I own nothing that isn't easily replaceable though so that is probably a difference for a lot of the other gun owners around.
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That doesn't seem to be a bad setup. For the price and the "doesn't require cases of beer and friends to help move either" comment I had expected it to really be a gun cabinet.

Looks like its even fire rated.

It shows it at $397 now online

If I get one I think I want one with a keypad or biometric. I know, those need batteries, they can fail, etc... But in a SHTF situation I don't want to be "20 right...30 left...fuck I went to far, start over, shit I didn't clear it out...fuck...I'm dead"

Actually we have a basement that has zero use beyond storage for us. I'm thinking about building a gun room down there. A place where I can clean my stuff, work on it, reload, etc... Brick walls, commercial steel door, some sort of dehumidifier, exhaust fan, etc... Then the next owners of the house can think we were nut bags until they realize its a great place to keep bad kids :)
If the shit hits the fan, and all your guns are in the safe, you are already fucked.

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Picked one up at lowes.
Centurion by Liberty Safe 12 Cu. Ft Model ce-12bk
Got it on sale for $270 great safe plenty of room for my weapons of distruction. Doesn't require cases of beer and friends to help move either.
Doesn't look bad, but I'd already have that thing stuffed to the max...

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If I get one I think I want one with a keypad or biometric. I know, those need batteries, they can fail, etc... But in a SHTF situation I don't want to be "20 right...30 left...fuck I went to far, start over, shit I didn't clear it out...fuck...I'm dead"

Actually we have a basement that has zero use beyond storage for us. I'm thinking about building a gun room down there. A place where I can clean my stuff, work on it, reload, etc... Brick walls, commercial steel door, some sort of dehumidifier, exhaust fan, etc... Then the next owners of the house can think we were nut bags until they realize its a great place to keep bad kids :)
My large safe will be in the basement, but the SHTF unit will not be. As FF said, if it hits the fan and it's in the safe, you're likely SOL aready....

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looks cool but after my parents house burned down while i was there and we lost 20+ i wont have anything that isnt fireproof. just my .02
Care to elaborate? How bad did home owners shaft you - and did they state that a fireproof safe would have yielded replacement? If they're asking for receipts, for me at least they'll likely be burned or illegible because of water damage during a fire....

Going back to my original statement, does anyone know about the whole carpet melting thing? Perhaps this is retarded to worry about, but why have a fireproof safe to save your goods if the shit's going to be covered in molten plastic when it heats up?
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put it this way my winchester model 94 steel receivered gun circa 1946 in perfect low round count shape was worth $75 to them. they have a cap if you dont have a ryder on your guns alone. problem with our insurance company at the time if you had a ryder every gun needed to apprasied with a written document, without the ryder if they were in the safe the insurance would have covered more but not all. it was a mess so now i have a safe with a ryder. my current insurance doesnt require a documented appraisal just a inventory and condition list. it may have been just a bad experiance but after all of our guns were lost was not the time to find all of this out. several of the guns were handed down for generations and where lost. some were able to be repaired but we lost some that were very important. my dad always had the mentallity that a house fire would never happen to us so why have a safe.
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Note to self: Contact home owners insurance and discuss the above. I'm somewhat in the same boat you were - most the items I have can be replaced, but they've been passed down.

On a side note, I did come across this that has a ton of good info. Also, you can spend a fortune on a safe...literally.
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If I have a fire, I've lost more important things than my guns. And if I'm suposed to believe that a layer of cement is going to keep my stuff safe when its sitting in a basement of ashes..... I'm a fool. Few things survive a fire.
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no saying guns were most important thing ive lost but i cant bring them back along with a lot of other things
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Home owners does not cover guns unless you have a rider.
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Their are several video's on you tube showing fire safes after a real fire or fire test. I believe that if you get a quality fire safe, they will save the contents.
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After doing some research, I'm finding that GOOD gun safes (or residential security cabinets) will withstand decent amounts of heat without any issue. These are the ones that are insulated via ceramic wool, not concrete.

There's quite a bit of into out there - seems like one of those things that you either need to spend a lot or a little cash - in between gets you nothing over the low end models.
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That's pretty much what I found. I went the cheap route and bought the basic job.
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There's also an organization that provides $2500 in free insurance coverage on guns - with more available for additional cost.

www.nra.org
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