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Old December 21st, 2011, 10:31 PM   #161
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I have bought my last two trucks from Matt. The dealership is clean and appears to be well kept. I have had good luck with the little bit of service the last truck needed. Him/someone has picked up my truck and brought it back when they were done. The building is "older" but so are most businesses up here with the exception of the big box stores. Nester's is also pretty well known in town for everything they give back to the community. I could see it having a reverse effect with people thinking they have too much money to waste on remodeling.
Valid point- but look at it from GM's point of view.


They are packaging an experience, that needs to be homogenous.

Remember when Harley dealers were often old buildings, or tin roof shacks, that appealed to the long time Harley customer for what they offered- personal service from people considered friends in that world.

When upscale buyers started fueling the Harley revival, HD told the dealers to clean up, sell clothing and accessories, or lose their franchise. It caused a lot of bad feelings among the traditional Harley buyer, but for the corporation it worked brilliantly as more people wandered through the dealer buying t-shirts and trinkets- often at a larger profit margin than selling bikes.


GM wants to attract buyers accustomed to the atmosphere in high end dealers, something that's hard to do in an out of date building.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 10:38 PM   #162
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Thanks Todd. It has been a pleasure doing business with you. U should show off that badass new rig of yours. We should get together drink some beers and do the snow dance. Getting the itch to get the polaris out of the garage.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 10:55 PM   #163
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[QUOTE=BlooMule;2891771]Valid point- but look at it from GM's point of view.


They are packaging an experience, that needs to be homogenous.

Remember when Harley dealers were often old buildings, or tin roof shacks, that appealed to the long time Harley customer for what they offered- personal service from people considered friends in that world.

When upscale buyers started fueling the Harley revival, HD told the dealers to clean up, sell clothing and accessories, or lose their franchise. It caused a lot of bad feelings among the traditional Harley buyer, but for the corporation it worked brilliantly as more people wandered through the dealer buying t-shirts and trinkets- often at a larger profit margin than selling bikes

GM wants to attract buyers accustomed to the atmosphere in high end dealers, something that's hard to do in an out of date building.[/QU

Only time will tell if the remodel changes peoples perspectives. I personally don't think that a face lift will do that it will add curb appeal but when it comes to dealing with customers we need to make sure we r going the extra step. Harley saw a huge increase in sales across the board but that fad has begun to fade and would curious to see if there dealer policies are as strict today. Our nearby barley had to make some upgrades but it was not a full remodel.
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I've been through Roscommon, but not totally famailiar with the area. It's your property, so if you don't see a good ROI I'll take your word for it.

Down here, image is everything. They just opened a new Porsche dealership in Eastpointe, you could buy every house on my street for the price of a new Porsche. Makes no sense to me, but someone feels they'll make money.
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Thanks Todd. It has been a pleasure doing business with you. U should show off that badass new rig of yours. We should get together drink some beers and do the snow dance. Getting the itch to get the polaris out of the garage.

I am ready to get the sled out that is for sure!!! It is already in the UP just waiting on snow. I'm working nights starting Friday and suppose to leave Monday morning for the UP. I will get ahold you when I get back in town.

Sorry to hijack your thread CC.
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Hi Drew, Jesus loves you, but everybody else thinks you\\\\\\\\\\'re an asshole.

I offered up reasons in the very beginning, however, just like every other topic you start, you're conveniently blinded by your own arrogance - especially when the general opinion of others do not match your own.

I'd say to just quit now, before you make yourself look even more ignorant, but we both know you'll beat this horse long after it's dead.
Thanks for pointing out the reason you are building junk no one wants is because the government is forcing you by a new rule that no one wants.

So what great advances are you engineers gaining from the volt? Seems like you have it figured out but since the battery technology isn't there you're kinda screwed. How does that work to advance the rest of the product line?

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P.S. Thanks for the credit but I think CC started this topic. I know we are both incredibly good looking so I can understand why you'd be confused.
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I've been through Roscommon, but not totally famailiar with the area. It's your property, so if you don't see a good ROI I'll take your word for it.

Down here, image is everything. They just opened a new Porsche dealership in Eastpointe, you could buy every house on my street for the price of a new Porsche. Makes no sense to me, but someone feels they'll make money.
I don't recall the whole Harley switch over, of course I am not much of a bike person either.

I imagine image is still important, just maybe not first on the list like down there.
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Thanks for pointing out the reason you are building junk no one wants is because the government is forcing you by a new rule that no one wants.

So what great advances are you engineers gaining from the volt? Seems like you have it figured out but since the battery technology isn't there you're kinda screwed. How does that work to advance the rest of the product line?

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P.S. Thanks for the credit but I think CC started this topic. I know we are both incredibly good looking so I can understand why you'd be confused.
A few questions, oh, Anointed One:

1. What makes the Volt junk?

2. With respect to any technology, it takes an investment of time and money
to bring reasonably priced products to market. Yes, batteries have been around since 1800 - and Henry Ford built his wife an electric car; not much of that matters today, as requirements are consistently changing. Why do you think the battery technology "isn't there"? - and if it isn't, why should we stop searching for better ways? With that reasoning, the 486/66 tower I bought for $2200 20 years ago would still be what people used today.

I mean - nobody will *ever* be able to fit more than 100,000 transistors on a computer chip. Don't you have a business degree? Come on, this is 100-level coursework here.
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Thanks for pointing out the reason you are building junk no one wants is because the government is forcing you by a new rule that no one wants.

So what great advances are you engineers gaining from the volt? Seems like you have it figured out but since the battery technology isn't there you're kinda screwed. How does that work to advance the rest of the product line?

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P.S. Thanks for the credit but I think CC started this topic. I know we are both incredibly good looking so I can understand why you'd be confused.


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Thanks for pointing out the reason you are building junk no one wants is because the government is forcing you by a new rule that no one wants.

So what great advances are you engineers gaining from the volt? Seems like you have it figured out but since the battery technology isn't there you're kinda screwed. How does that work to advance the rest of the product line?

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P.S. Thanks for the credit but I think CC started this topic. I know we are both incredibly good looking so I can understand why you'd be confused.

Ironically, his avatar is the grille of his -1 generation DTS...

Spoken like a stockbroker - no thought of the loing term, strategy, or positioning for the future, just the right now and near-term.

And while there was likely some government pressure to build the Volt, I think Lutz's forward-thinking product focus was behind a good deal of it. Government meddlers would've driven a product a whole lot more Nissan Leaf or Prius like (i.e. bare bones and "look at me cutesy/kooky" styling rather than the Volt's more stylish looks and upscale appointments.
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After TSHTF/Zombie apocalypse/2012, gasoline will be hard to get for the survivors.

I want a Volt and a windmill/solar cell array to recharge it.
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I dont wanna read this whole thread, but I would have to say MebAlls about the whole thing.
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Battery operated MebAlls?
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After TSHTF/Zombie apocalypse/2012, gasoline will be hard to get for the survivors.

I want a Volt and a windmill/solar cell array to recharge it.
There will be plenty of diesel around though, lasts longer than gasoline. You're just going to have to filter it after it sits for a while, and what better to mow down zombies with than a big ass diesel truck, a Chevy Volt isn't going to last more than 3 or 4 zombies before the front end is all beat to shit.
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Volt would be for stealth missions for supplies, a diesel 6x6 would be like ringing a dinner bell for the zombies.


Besides, i'd pull all the plastic and fab up a nice sharp stainless steel blade about shin height.
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Volt would be for stealth missions for supplies, a diesel 6x6 would be like ringing a dinner bell for the zombies.


Besides, i'd pull all the plastic and fab up a nice sharp stainless steel blade about shin height.
You're still gonna have to put a lift on it so you don't get stuck when you run over the bodies, and maybe some runflat tires for when a rib or leg bone punctures a tire.
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Ya gotta angle it properly so the body goes over the hood and all you have to clear is the feet.
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Bob Lutz had some great insights about the Volt in his book Car Guys vs Bean Counters.

As far as the Zombie Apocalypse... get your practice now!



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I don't know nester, but every time I go up north I see at least one or two jvehicles with their sticker on on the car, they must be doing something right.
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Spoken like a stockbroker - no thought of the loing term, strategy, or positioning for the future, just the right now and near-term..
In the wonderful times of his absence, have we all forgotten that he argues points just to take a side and argue?

You just can't argue automotive design with someone on the outside who knows nothing about how cars are designed. Thats evident just by the simplistic 'arguement' he's pushing. John Q Public thinks about batteries, not about electrical architecture, EMC/EMI, boot up times, transients, braking systems, HVAC systems. He thinks its just a car with the engine removed and an electric motor dropped in. People don't understand that every single piece of electrical equipment in an electric car needs to be reconsidered. And if you don't think you learn from that, you're as dumb as an Ohioan.

The general public is ignorant on the topic, but they are full of opinions. Thats why I always say if you find yourself going: "Why don't they...." , well, if its such a great idea and you can make millions, why don't they, indeed. Usually because its not cost effective, illegal, not manufacturable, or just plain a bad idea.

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Volt would be for stealth missions for supplies, a diesel 6x6 would be like ringing a dinner bell for the zombies.

The COMBATT trucks from about 10 years ago were like that. Diesel-Hybrid dodge rams on 37s with long travel linked suspensions done for the military. You could shut off the Cummins and run on full battery mode for fording and stealth. Those trucks were awesome, we had two in our garage at the Chrysler Tech Center.
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