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Old December 21st, 2011, 04:39 PM   #101
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Yeah, performance cars and the limits that they are pushed to is proabably going to give you guys more to work with then the overpiced grocery getter with a crap battery but hey once again I'm not in the industry. Since you've offered nothing to the conversation besides contridicting what I've said leads me to wondering how much you actually have to add with your experience. So far nothing.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 05:07 PM   #103
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mosl...d-element.html

This is a good article explaining the envirnmental impacts involved with mining the lithium for the batteries for the electric cars.

It is not a environmentally clean solution it is a trade off for oil.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 05:13 PM   #104
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Sorry got busy at work first let me clarify, I think GM has done a lot of good in the production of the Volt and what we can learn from the technology will hopefully benefit other models in the future. More people came in to our store and inquired about the volt before production now people stop see the price and run. AS FAR AS GM GOES ABOUT FORCING US DEALERS TO DO STUFF TO OUR DEALERSHIPS THEY ARE, WE HAVE TO DO A REMODEL THEY ARE FORCING US TO AND OUR STORE IS NOT THAT OLD AND IN DAMN NICE CONDITION BUT BECAUSE THEY WANT US TO BE COOKIE CUTTER STORES LIKE WAL MART WE ARE NOW FORCED TO DO A REMODEL THAT WILL COST US ALMOST 1 MILLION AND LET ME TELL YOU BUSINESS IS NOT THAT GOOD.
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Let me expand.

Plug-in Electric Vehicles (PEVs) aren't the right solution for everybody. But then, neither are 1-ton pickups or Harleys - but there's a market for all of them. PEVs - especially for commuters. The architecture of the Volt (i.e. on-board charging capability) is what makes it more practical - likewise the prototype ford Escape and Dodge Rams (1/2 ton 4x4s with hemis) I've toyed with. The Nissan Leaf should aggravate everybody so much more - with no on-board generation capability, it's basically just a political statement.

The real advantage of PEVs is better utilization of the existing electrical generation infrastructure. With rare exception (building chillers and pumped storage like Ludington) electricity can't be economically saved in any volume. Overnight charging of PEVs allows power plants (which are sized for daytime peak load conditions) to be more fully used in the overnight time period. Generating more revenue from existing assets (albeit at the cost of increased fuel) means electric rates can be reduced (since generation in MI is still regulated). A good fit.

As I see it, price is the only real handicap the Volt has. When the economies of scale kick in, and the price drops it'll be a contender.

Likewise, the massive ("Saudi Arabia sized") gas deposits discovered in the OH/PA/WV/NY area have been described as a "150 year source of NG" assuming we use it for more power generation, vehicles, etc... So NG is another alternate fuel that's likely to grow.

I believe the market will diversify - gas, diesel, PEV, hybrid electric, NG...
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Sorry got busy at work first let me clarify, I think GM has done a lot of good in the production of the Volt and what we can learn from the technology will hopefully benefit other models in the future. More people came in to our store and inquired about the volt before production now people stop see the price and run. AS FAR AS GM GOES ABOUT FORCING US DEALERS TO DO STUFF TO OUR DEALERSHIPS THEY ARE, WE HAVE TO DO A REMODEL THEY ARE FORCING US TO AND OUR STORE IS NOT THAT OLD AND IN DAMN NICE CONDITION BUT BECAUSE THEY WANT US TO BE COOKIE CUTTER STORES LIKE WAL MART WE ARE NOW FORCED TO DO A REMODEL THAT WILL COST US ALMOST 1 MILLION AND LET ME TELL YOU BUSINESS IS NOT THAT GOOD.
When you compare most domestic dealerships to foreign automakers that have been in this country about half the time, most need a major overhaul.

No one wants to buy $30,000+ vehicles from grubby looking dealerships.

BTW, that money costing you to remodel is mostly coming from GM.
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Yes there are some run down dealers out there but our store is not we take pride in our business and spend alot of $$$ each year to keep it looking good. None of the $$ is coming from GM for the remodel it is called out of our pocket. not sure where you got your info from but it is wrong.

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No one wants to buy $30,000+ vehicles from grubby looking dealerships.

BTW, that money costing you to remodel is mostly coming from GM.
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Yes there are some run down dealers out there but our store is not we take pride in our business and spend alot of $$$ each year to keep it looking good. None of the $$ is coming from GM for the remodel it is called out of our pocket. not sure where you got your info from but it is wrong.
Most dealerships were given remodeling money. Maybe your dealership wasn't on the list. I don't know the specific details on which dealerships were given money, just that money was given out to dealerships to remodel.

It doesn't matter if it's nice and good shape, it's also keeping up on an alluring design and storefront. Competition is stiff.
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so make us cookie cutter stores with no personality, good idea
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It is not remodeling $$ we have to pay lots of $$ every year to be in certain programs within GM yes we do get our $$ plus some back but this not REMODEL $$$. Plus they are forcing us to use certain suppliers at inflated prices because they are getting a kick back
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I don't think they are all getting a cookie cutter look. What do you think sells though, every store looking completely unique and different? Ever notice how other brand name stores all have similar looks and feels? Do you think that's a coincidence?

No offense, but the marketing people do their homework and have a little more insight into what they're doing than you.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mosl...d-element.html

This is a good article explaining the envirnmental impacts involved with mining the lithium for the batteries for the electric cars.

It is not a environmentally clean solution it is a trade off for oil.
Same with cell phones, laptops, cordless tools, etc and though their batteries are tiny in comparison, the volumes of laptops and cell phones is massive compared to the cars, I highly doubt anyone on her cares enough to not have any of those things.

Which again is people will happily bitch and make a case why things they don't like suck but turn a blind eye when its something they like.
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so make us cookie cutter stores with no personality, good idea
Its brand identity. Target stores look like targets, best buys look like best buys. The snozzberries taste like snozzberries.
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I completely disagree most of our execs or factory people have never worked in a dealership and has no idea how or what it takes to sell a car or repair one. They are a cookie cutter look we can't pic an exterior color, we have 3 different choices of tile to use on the interior, no choice in furniture and hey we are not a corporate owned business like your big box stores. As long as we sell cars and take care of our customers what does GM care.

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When gm comes in pays my family for our business of 35+ years and turns into a factory owned store they can do what ever in the hell they want but they don't own shit around here.


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I completely disagree most of our execs or factory people have never worked in a dealership and has no idea how or what it takes to sell a car or repair one. They are a cookie cutter look we can't pic an exterior color, we have 3 different choices of tile to use on the interior, no choice in furniture and hey we are not a corporate owned business like your big box stores. As long as we sell cars and take care of our customers what does GM care.
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brand identity we have building ours for 35+ years and now we will just look like everyone else
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When gm comes in pays my family for our business of 35+ years and turns into a factory owned store they can do what ever in the hell they want but they don't own shit around here.
So if GM stopped building cars tomorrow, you guys would still be around?

Hopefully you are smart enough to realize how linked your dealership business and GM's business is.
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