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Old December 7th, 2011, 10:12 AM   #1
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Good. I'm tired of people scamming the system and expecting others to bail them out. They rolled the dice and they lost.
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If they were flat broke and couldn't pay for enough gas to go beyond the city line, thats one thing, but to go out there and watch it burn is kinda pathetic imo. Maybe I'm getting soft, but its not like it was a mansion and it burned because they wanted to stiff the city on $75, that would be pretty funny. Looked like a trailer and that was likely all of their life in that $50 shack.
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I understand the fee, to an extent. Why though is it not covered by their taxes? I know that by choosing not to pay the fee that it should not entitle you to the same coverage as those who did pay it, but I just couldn't imagine being a firefighter and standing there watching someone lose everything when you have the tools right there to try to save something for them.
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If they were flat broke and couldn't pay for enough gas to go beyond the city line, thats one thing, but to go out there and watch it burn is kinda pathetic imo. Maybe I'm getting soft, but its not like it was a mansion and it burned because they wanted to stiff the city on $75, that would be pretty funny. Looked like a trailer and that was likely all of their life in that $50 shack.
Yes But i bet they had cable tv. Smoked cigarettes, and had beer in the fridge. People always seem to have money for that stuff. It was only 75. dollars a year.
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If they were flat broke and couldn't pay for enough gas to go beyond the city line, thats one thing, but to go out there and watch it burn is kinda pathetic imo. Maybe I'm getting soft, but its not like it was a mansion and it burned because they wanted to stiff the city on $75, that would be pretty funny. Looked like a trailer and that was likely all of their life in that $50 shack.
If you read the article it said they would help people in danger. So they were there to make sure no one died. At least thats what I got out of it.

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If you read the article it said they would help people in danger. So they were there to make sure no one died. At least thats what I got out of it.
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However, Bell and her husband were forced to walk into the burning home in an attempt to retrieve their own belongings.
Seems like they did a poor job of keeping people out of danger too.

Hey, normally I agree with the don't pay the money, don't get the service, but fire and police should be the bare min. No trash pickup, water, sewer, plowing, - ok fine, but when it comes to burning alive or getting murdered, we should be more of a society.
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Yes But i bet they had cable tv. Smoked cigarettes, and had beer in the fridge. People always seem to have money for that stuff. It was only 75. dollars a year.
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Seems like they did a poor job of keeping people out of danger too.

Hey, normally I agree with the don't pay the money, don't get the service, but fire and police should be the bare min. No trash pickup, water, sewer, plowing, - ok fine, but when it comes to burning alive or getting murdered, we should be more of a society.

I agree with that they should of stopped anyone from entering the property.
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I agree with that they should of stopped anyone from entering the property.
so you want to LIMIT someones RIGHTS to enter their own property!!?!! OMGZ!!!
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Seems like they did a poor job of keeping people out of danger too.

Hey, normally I agree with the don't pay the money, don't get the service, but fire and police should be the bare min. No trash pickup, water, sewer, plowing, - ok fine, but when it comes to burning alive or getting murdered, we should be more of a society.
Bullshit. People have to learn that it costs money for a service. Obviously a millage to pay for full coverage of the entire area was voted down. So, the fire department did the next best thing......... offer coverage for a fee. No different than you choosing to only cover plpd versus full coverage on your car. YOUR CHOICE. You seem to be missing the point that they were there to make sure no one got physically hurt, not financially hurt.

Firefighters put their lives on the line every time they go into a fire situation. And in case you don't know it, they don't get paid very well. So for a lousy $75 per year you would choose to fukc THESE GUYS OVER while you expect them to save your posessions. Fuck that!

I am so tired of people expecting others to take care of them. $75 per year is $1.44 per week. You cannot tell me that anyone living in a home can't come up with that.
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Read the story. They showed up. They burned the gas, their time. They chose not to shoot water from as safe distance.

My wife is a teacher. She chose to get f'ed financially every day to help kids. She had the smarts to be an engineer easy. Firefighters chose the same.

So please say how them shooting water from a safe distance when they were already there was fukcing them over. They chose to make an example out of a family. And that wasn't a home, that was a trailer in a field looks like, lol.
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Read the story. They showed up. They burned the gas, their time. They chose not to shoot water from as safe distance.

My wife is a teacher. She chose to get f'ed financially every day to help kids. She had the smarts to be an engineer easy. Firefighters chose the same.

So please say how them shooting water from a safe distance when they were already there was fukcing them over. They chose to make an example out of a family. And that wasn't a home, that was a trailer in a field looks like, lol.
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I'm guessing there is WAY more back story here. I'm sure the residents denied a millage that would have funded the fire department and they had to resort to the $75 fee.
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I understand the fee, to an extent. Why though is it not covered by their taxes? I know that by choosing not to pay the fee that it should not entitle you to the same coverage as those who did pay it, but I just couldn't imagine being a firefighter and standing there watching someone lose everything when you have the tools right there to try to save something for them.
The fee is not covered by the taxes because the fire department belongs to the residents/tax payers of the city of South Fulton. The property in question was located outside of the city limits. As a service, the city of South Fulton offers fire protection to properties outside the city limits for an annual fee of $75. The property owners in this case decided, for whatever reason, to not pay the fee and therefore were not entitled to the services. It seems pretty cut and dry to me.

The firefighters arriving but basically only monitoring the situation does not bother me either. They arrived on the scene and ensured that the fire did not spread to neighboring homes (who may have paid the fee and been entitled to services) and that no body was put in danger. The home owners may have entered the burning home but the article doesn't state what the exact situation of the fire was at the time the entered the home or whether or not the fire department had arrived yet on scene when they entered. Also, contrary to what the article says, the homeowners were not "Forced" to enter the burning home. Property is replaceable, nobody had a gun to their head telling them to enter. Additionally, had the firefighters taken it upon themselves to fight the blaze, they could be opening themselves up to potential liabilities if one of their members were injured (the city's insurance plan might decide not to cover a firefighter who was injured battling a fire they were not authorized to fight).

At some point somebody will probably argue that the family should have been able to pay the fee on the scene. The counter argument is that this is unfair to the tax payers of the City of South Fulton and the fire department. These parties have forgone the revenue from the fee and any potential interest it may have earned and the additional services that the city/fire department could provide with those dollars. Non-city residents who paid the fee when it was originally due have also forgone the $75 and the interest that they might have earned on it had they known they could just not pay the fee and wait until an actual emergency. Allowing non-residents to pay the fee at the time of the fire presents a moral hazard for the fire department because so many non-residents may decide to not pay the fee until an emergency arises that the fire department can no longer adequately provide services to those who have paid the fee when it was due.

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Read the story. They showed up. They burned the gas, their time. They chose not to shoot water from as safe distance.

My wife is a teacher. She chose to get f'ed financially every day to help kids. She had the smarts to be an engineer easy. Firefighters chose the same.

So please say how them shooting water from a safe distance when they were already there was fukcing them over. They chose to make an example out of a family. And that wasn't a home, that was a trailer in a field looks like, lol.
My wife and both daughters work for the schools. It's a totally different situation. None of them are putting their life on the line. School employees are paid by local and state taxes which everyone pays. Those that don't pay taxes have their kid's educations paid by other means like Federal grants. Firefighters are only paid by local taxes. There are no Federal grants for trailer trash who refuse to pony up $1.44 per week.

You can say that they could throw water on the fire from a safe distance for free but it's not free. Every time they pull a hose or other equipment out of a truck it has to be repacked back at the fire station. That costs additional labor. Their responsibility is to keep people safe. It stops there. Nothing is free. Our township fire department will service residents at no charge. If you are not a township resident and the fire department responds to your car accident, you get charged. Why? Because you are not paying for their service. No different here. The people knew the rules. They gambled. They lost.

I have zero sympathy for them.
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I'm guessing there is WAY more back story here. I'm sure the residents denied a millage that would have funded the fire department and they had to resort to the $75 fee.
Yes, this came up a year or so ago with another person who had not paid the fee. They tried to offer cash on the spot and the fire department said no. Good for them. It opens up a whole can of worms if they allow that. Then what happens if a person says "I don't have the cash right now but I promise to pay"........... and then they don't? Now the fire department needs to go to collection. Good luck with that.
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My wife and both daughters work for the schools. It's a totally different situation. None of them are putting their life on the line. School employees are paid by local and state taxes which everyone pays. Those that don't pay taxes have their kid's educations paid by other means like Federal grants. Firefighters are only paid by local taxes. You're confusing my moral issue with a tax base issue There are no Federal grants for trailer trash who refuse to pony up $1.44 per week. You came up with the idea of gates on the Titanic because they didn't pay extra for lifeboats didnt you?

You can say that they could throw water on the fire from a safe distance for free but it's not free. Every time they pull a hose or other equipment out of a truck it has to be repacked back at the fire station. That costs additional labor. Really, how many fire fighters do you know? Because the ones I know unroll hose and repack it for practice and stave off boredom Their responsibility is to keep people safe. It stops there. Nothing is free. Our township fire department will service residents at no charge. If you are not a township resident and the fire department responds to your car accident, you get charged. Why? Because you are not paying for their service. No different here. The people knew the rules. They gambled. They lost.

I have zero sympathy for them. ORLY?
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