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Old December 4th, 2011, 05:39 PM   #1
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holy shit!!! 45 bucks each!! that is just getting out of control. guess they need more new groomers.
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I heard that this was to help fund different projects like what was done @ St. Helens. If the money goes to right places its not a bad thing. But it will most likely just help fund the unemployed here in Michigan.
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yup i got one. they are arctic cat green. kinda ugly on my polaris.

matches the hideous hunters orange registration stickers.
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I heard that this was to help fund different projects like what was done @ St. Helens. If the money goes to right places its not a bad thing. But it will most likely just help fund the unemployed here in Michigan.
well the money does not go to the correct places...those permit fees were to be only used for snowmobile trails and such...however the state being the cocksuckers they are robbed the fund and hence the increase. The whole idea of the fee's came from the MSA as the state started bitch about how it cannot afford the upkeep on the trail system, thats when the MSA proposed the trail fee sticker. The state wanted to charge $55 for the increase and $45 if you bought early....however that plan was shot down, but they did get the $10 increase. I swear those fuckers that get elected should have to serve a two year prison term as soon as they are out of office because every last of of them is a thieving cocksucker
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well the money does not go to the correct places...those permit fees were to be only used for snowmobile trails and such...however the state being the cocksuckers they are robbed the fund and hence the increase. The whole idea of the fee's came from the MSA as the state started bitch about how it cannot afford the upkeep on the trail system, thats when the MSA proposed the trail fee sticker. The state wanted to charge $55 for the increase and $45 if you bought early....however that plan was shot down, but they did get the $10 increase. I swear those fuckers that get elected should have to serve a two year prison term as soon as they are out of office because every last of of them is a thieving cocksucker
Agreed.

They have robbed the fund blind although I forget the details on it.

Fucking Thieves.
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Anyone ever bought a trail permit to ride in Canada, where the trails are maintained 1000x better than Michigan, and you can ride 200 miles and never pass a sled?
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yep got one gf can get her own and spare sled will sit each year it goes up soon it will be 100 bucks a sticker then i may find a new winter hobby
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whats a trail permit? are those the things we make with the scanner and printer every year?
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If the money went where it is supposed to, the price doesn't bother me. Snowmobiling isn't cheap. That is a fact. If a trail sticker cost $200, it would be a drop in the bucket for most riders overall cost.

I do think however, that it is complete BS that you need a trail permit to ride anywhere but private property. If you are on the trails that the money is supposed to maintain, sure, but for those who don't use the official trails, they shouldn't have to pay for it.

For example, my father and I cut firewood in the winter and haul it by sled. I pull a Ski-doo Carry-Boose behind a Ski-Doo Elan. We ride it on his property and the state land that his borders. We make our own trails through the woods to the tree's that we cut. These trails aren't within nearly ten miles of the official snowmobile trail. He also used to make and groom his own dogsled trail about 25 miles long, also never touching the official trail. We have to buy trail permits for the Elan, and the sled he groomed his dogsled trail with because it is used on state land.

That used to be what the registration was for. Then they decided you needed the trail permit too.

Kinda like if you had to buy an ORV tag to drive on the freeway.
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I really hope this doesn't hurt the winter tourism in the state?
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If the money went where it is supposed to, the price doesn't bother me. Snowmobiling isn't cheap. That is a fact. If a trail sticker cost $200, it would be a drop in the bucket for most riders overall cost.

I do think however, that it is complete BS that you need a trail permit to ride anywhere but private property. If you are on the trails that the money is supposed to maintain, sure, but for those who don't use the official trails, they shouldn't have to pay for it.

For example, my father and I cut firewood in the winter and haul it by sled. I pull a Ski-doo Carry-Boose behind a Ski-Doo Elan. We ride it on his property and the state land that his borders. We make our own trails through the woods to the tree's that we cut. These trails aren't within nearly ten miles of the official snowmobile trail. He also used to make and groom his own dogsled trail about 25 miles long, also never touching the official trail. We have to buy trail permits for the Elan, and the sled he groomed his dogsled trail with because it is used on state land.

That used to be what the registration was for. Then they decided you needed the trail permit too.

Kinda like if you had to buy an ORV tag to drive on the freeway.
I agree. I ride maybe 200 miles a year, and haven't been on a "trail" in 10 years. The small amount of riding that I do is usually on frozen lakes and rivers. I don't see why I have to pay 25 cents per mile to ride on something that doesn't get any of those funds.
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If the money went where it is supposed to, the price doesn't bother me. Snowmobiling isn't cheap. That is a fact. If a trail sticker cost $200, it would be a drop in the bucket for most riders overall cost.

I do think however, that it is complete BS that you need a trail permit to ride anywhere but private property. If you are on the trails that the money is supposed to maintain, sure, but for those who don't use the official trails, they shouldn't have to pay for it.

For example, my father and I cut firewood in the winter and haul it by sled. I pull a Ski-doo Carry-Boose behind a Ski-Doo Elan. We ride it on his property and the state land that his borders. We make our own trails through the woods to the tree's that we cut. These trails aren't within nearly ten miles of the official snowmobile trail. He also used to make and groom his own dogsled trail about 25 miles long, also never touching the official trail. We have to buy trail permits for the Elan, and the sled he groomed his dogsled trail with because it is used on state land.

That used to be what the registration was for. Then they decided you needed the trail permit too.

Kinda like if you had to buy an ORV tag to drive on the freeway.

how old is that elan...you may qualify for a historical permit for $50 if the sled is 25yrs old...the permit is permanent....you also do not need a permit if the sled is used for ice fishing
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whats a trail permit? are those the things we make with the scanner and printer every year?

I hope you get nailed and slapped with a misdemeanor…and fake permits are not hard to catch
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Old December 5th, 2011, 08:34 AM   #14
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Yeah... I don't snowmobile, but I think it's funny hearing you guys say things that equate to this:

"Yeah, if they raise the price on the the trail permit another nickel, I'm not going to spend hundreds of dollars on gasoline for my multi-thousand dollar snow machine, or drive my multi-thousand dollar pickup truck and trailer to the trail head anymore. I'm just going to take up knitting."
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Yeah... I don't snowmobile, but I think it's funny hearing you guys say things that equate to this:

"Yeah, if they raise the price on the the trail permit another nickel, I'm not going to spend hundreds of dollars on gasoline for my multi-thousand dollar snow machine, or drive my multi-thousand dollar pickup truck and trailer to the trail head anymore. I'm just going to take up knitting."
so at what point do you draw the line...its the nickel and dime shit that ends up killing activities like this
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I don't know. How many miles of trails are there in Michigan? I would think that 45$ would be a bargain to have months of access to groomed trails to ride. Just my opinion.

I buy an ORV sticker every year and don't even bat an eye. Actually, this year I bought two. I just bought another one a month ago, so I could ride my new bike on the ORV once. It won't get used again this year probably, but to me, it was a bargain to have access to all that land.
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Anyone ever bought a trail permit to ride in Canada, where the trails are maintained 1000x better than Michigan, and you can ride 200 miles and never pass a sled?
yes and they are expensive as fukc ...in the $250 range
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$200 before December 1st, $250 after.
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Our Elan is a 1995, not quite 25 years old yet.

For me, it's not the actual cost of the nickel and dime stuff, its the BS that comes behind it. Why are registration and trail permits both required? Supposed to be, that the registration fees pay the states cost for whatever they do for the sport (police officers, road repairs, etc.) and the trail stickers are like a mandatory donation to the private snowmobile clubs who actually maintain the trails, buy groomers, do trail cleanups, fight for new trails and keeping old trails open, deal with legal issues, and whatever else is seen as the face of our sport.

That is not the case anymore, and the money is dispersed in wrongful ways.

Paying $45 for a trail permit isn't a huge deal, but when I open my wallet, I see the $25 it used to cost, ten bucks for whatever they said we needed to pay for last year, but never did, and another ten bucks for more "things we need", but won't get. I see those twenty dollars going somewhere that will either not help, or hurt our sport.

Kinda like going to the parts store and picking up nickel and dime parts for my truck, but having to buy wipers for some fruit-loop's Prius and locks for them to chain up trail gates.
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Stop being a cheap ass!! If I had your money I`d burn mine
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