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Old November 29th, 2011, 07:27 PM   #21
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we would be as innovative and productive as China. We would all be motivated to be better than other professinals in our field.
I've been involved in a few unions my self. I woudl have to STRONGLY agree with this.

Out of the 3 or 4 unions I've been part of or around, I would say that not one of them encouraged the workers to work harder. Just work hard enough to meet union standards.

If all employers were forced to go union you would also see a reduced amount of small business startups. Not to mention a drop in longevity from new hires.
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Old November 29th, 2011, 07:45 PM   #22
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That's true Rob, I have been in Mexico and had the same expreience. We work too much and don't take enough "Holiday's". I know of a couple from England and they say we are underpaid and over worked.
Gee, maybe that's why everybody wants to come to America. We work hard to build a great country, and the foreigners want to come and enjoy the benefits and then want to change it.
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Old November 29th, 2011, 07:48 PM   #23
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I think I would be ok. You can't fix a toilet from India, or eliminate the use of plumbing.
have you seen youtube?

this is what is killing our job market... unless i dumbass trys to fix it and brakes something then calls us out..

or installs it wrong...


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Old November 29th, 2011, 08:01 PM   #24
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After working for 30+ years, for both union and non-union shops, and after having my own company. I can say I have never needed a union where ever I worked. I have had the union thugs threaten me twice, for working hard and making others look bad. The last place I worked I had a life changing injury as a union worker and the union did NOT help with my problem. I say this because even after watching the unions gain great strength in my life time and use it poorly. I still believe we need the unions. They no longer have the power they once had and abused. If you study why, and when the unions formed here in the U.S. I can't imagine anybody saying we don't need them. One can use the swinging pendent in saying if the union is the pendent, the left side is little power, the right great power. I have watched the pendent sway from the great power to the little power side. I don't agree with many of the union policies or rules, but I would hate to see them destroyed. Many women and men fought very hard to get the unions. Some lost their lives. Just look up the documentary about the fires at the sewing shops in New York. Way before the UAW formed. I think most people don't need a union. I also had a supervisors position over UAW workers. While I was in that position, I discovered that there are rules in place to handle the unruly employee's. I also found that management would not enforce the rules. They almost always waited till they were at their wits end to correct a problem employee. Then they would try to inflict a punishment greater than what was called for. Then the union would show that there was no documentation for such punishment and the employee would walk. If management would enforce the rules that they have, we would see a better work ethic from the workers. I have witnessed workers saying "why should I work my ass off when (said idiot) sits on his ass and gets the same pay". My reply to that person was, you were hired for this position, to do this job, for this amount of money. No where did it say you are to monitor other employee's work habits, or lack of. Management is in charge of monitoring employee's.
If we lose the unions, I don't believe we will get them back when we want them. We will want them again. With the new terrorist laws on the books, it will make it impossible to fight for the rights again.

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Your reply is very interesting. All of your experiences speak of fukced up situations courtesy of the unions and their leadership, and yet you seem to be totally in favor of the unions anyway. Unless you are a glutton for punishment, why would be supportive of a union that obviously promotes fukced up working situations?
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Old November 29th, 2011, 08:26 PM   #25
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The entire economy of our country would collapse in on it self over time.

The union employee's only work as hard as they are directed to by the union BA or as they determine at the place of employment. The more work there is and the less competition there is the less work is performed under the guy lines, that no one is going to get rich off our labor. If there were no non union compatition the greed would set in and before long there would be a stale mate of who could do the least amount. Before long no one would even show up for work and the hierarchy would vote in a raise for all of those who were not working. Etrician would take place and those who actually wanted to be productive members of society would leave, and the countries that were able to produce goods for a competitive price would gain ground and consume the market.

Oh wait, that is happening already.
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Most people would have better benefits. Some people would make more, some less. Some work would be moved to other less unionized countries, possibly resulting in more unemployment. Businesses would make less profits, some might go out of business. Prices would rise. The earth would continue to revolve around its axis and move around the sun. The world would adapt and life would go on.

But it'll never happen. I think we may see a rise in union representation as an outgrowth of the "Occupy..." movement, when they see if as a way to address some of their issues. But it would never get to 100%
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I would make 3 grand a week, but would only have enough work for 10 weeks out of the year.
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Old December 4th, 2011, 09:28 PM   #28
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Whats your opinion on public employees? (cops, firemen, teachers etc.)
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