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Old November 28th, 2010, 12:33 PM   #1
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2011 Schuss Mountain Snow Challenge March 26-27

Side by side up hill racing returns to Schuss Mtn. on Saturday and Sunday, March 26-27, 2011.

There will be some new additions and changes to this years event that should be very pleasing to most everyone. Plus a NEW tire class is being added!!!

Full details to follow on the website in the next few weeks. I'll keep everyone posted.

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Any businesses, clubs, or organizations looking to advertise, acquire a vendor spot, or even pick up one of the Premium Advertiser spots for one of the tire classes(only a couple left) please contact me(Jason "Grizz") at Griztek@Griztekusa.com. I've restructured the rates to help accommodate and differentiate between entities wanting to just promote and get info out VS those wanting to sell products and such.


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Old November 28th, 2010, 12:37 PM   #2
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Smack talk...

The event hadn't even been officially announced yet and there's already smack talk starting

There's a couple people out there that are saying that "big silver Ford will NOT win this year!!!!!" AWERSOME!!!!! Bring one, bring all. Let's see what you guys have got. Bring it on!!!!!
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Old November 28th, 2010, 02:58 PM   #3
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This year the winner will be a small red Ford....Not a big silver one.

The new dates are awesome, More snow and no Holidays to contend with.
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Old November 30th, 2010, 10:30 AM   #4
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Looking forward to the hill climb.
I was just wondering what the format was going to look like for the racing this year? This is an example of typical double elimination racing where everyone gets a chance to run twice. This also eliminates the chance of having someone racing for first place that already has a loss in that class. If there is any prize money given away this system also allows for 2nd and 3rd place to be determined. Just my 2 cents, I have attened the last two years and had a great time. This is also a good event for spectators and I would like to see it continue for as long as possible.
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Old November 30th, 2010, 10:19 PM   #5
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P77: Thanks for the input and suggestions, as well as the compliments. We still aren't going to get that technical, but definitely working on fine tuning it a bit. It needed it. I'll likely even the bracket numbers out, but still working on how to do it quickly and fairly. The format will be along the same lines as what you've seen before, but with hopefully a few adjustments to iron out the kinks.

We just want everyone to have fun in a "loosely" structured form of racing. Getting too serious about brackets and big prize money takes the fun out of it. This will always be a "fun" event with just a little incentive(cash and prizes) to make it worth while.
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Old November 30th, 2010, 10:28 PM   #6
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All the current info is now updated on the website. Take a sec to slide over and read through it all.
www.GriztekUSA.com/snowchallenge.html

I also wanted to present THE question of the 2011 SMSC:

How can we further limit the 31 stock class without getting overly technical?
Last year limited the engine to stock cylinder count. There has been a suggestion of also limiting to stock blocks(i.e. meaning you can't run a GM block in a Jeep) This is the quick version as there are tons of details.
We won't limit lifts, can't say "stock only" cuz stock is relative and nearly impossible to police, and eliminating headers works, but doesn't work.

Feedback...........
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Old December 1st, 2010, 02:16 AM   #7
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Feedback....

Maybe stock class can be broke down to number of cylinders

4 cylinders separate
6 cylinders separate
8 cylinders separate

Also last year in stock class, some people would get out of line and move back so they did not have to race someone that they knew would beat them.

Just my $.02
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 09:07 AM   #8
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I have a stupid question................

My truck is obviously highly modified, but it still has the stock 4.3 in it. While it gets around fine for everything I want to do, its not fast by any definition. If I came out, it would be to have a little fun, not to try to win anything. If I lose on my fist run up the hill, am I done for the day? Is there anywhere else you can play around some, or are we only allowed to drive on this one hill? I hate to drag my junk all the way up there just to climb the hill once and be done....
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 09:15 AM   #9
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 09:43 AM   #10
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Looking forward to the hill climb.
I was just wondering what the format was going to look like for the racing this year? This is an example of typical double elimination racing where everyone gets a chance to run twice. This also eliminates the chance of having someone racing for first place that already has a loss in that class. If there is any prize money given away this system also allows for 2nd and 3rd place to be determined. Just my 2 cents, I have attened the last two years and had a great time. This is also a good event for spectators and I would like to see it continue for as long as possible.
I agree with this format if you loose once you move to the second place bracket this is very simple and fair if you have a bad run you can still run off for second place seems easy and fair. (Setup a grudge race between 1st and 2nd places at the end if a person had a bad run they could redeam them selfs)

Also last year I seen it many times if people didn't want to run a certain vehicle that would get out of line and just get back in that is not fair give out number and race in order it luck of the draw and still at the end the fastest JEEP will win
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 02:03 PM   #11
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knaffie: Your question is why the loser bracket was set up. If you were to lose in the first round you would then be shuffled into the 1st round loser bracket at which point you would come back to race a second time to try to move again in the racing. If you happen to win in the loser round, then you just keep going until you lose. And don't count your 4.3 out. Saw last year a good friend running in the 36" up class make it quite far with his 4.3 powered rig(possible it was all the way to the quarter finals, a good 4-5 races at least before he got knocked out.) Also something to note - with the rules standing as they are right now, you could actually run your truck with some 31s in the 31 stock class. Even though you have a highly modified suspension, your drive train is still "stock." So, you would qualify.

As far as dealing with the line "dodging" that is coming up, I see the points being made. I had been looking at it from the perspective that if you dodge a particular vehicle so not to lose(if you are sure to lose to them) then you would end up losing to them anyway somewhere down the line. But I agree that once in line, you need to stay in line. This will be addressed. Initial thoughts are to keep the trucks competing "wrangled" a bit better/tighter to help avoid this.
With the number of trucks and races, combined with the time constraints of keeping the event moving at such a fast pace make it VERY hard to keep track of every truck with number/names/orders. Again we've tried to make things a simple as possible to keep things flowing and risk the fewest headaches. But, if it's viewed and felt by you competitors that moving around in line within a round of racing is an issue, then it will be addressed and dealt with.

Thanks for the feedback guys.
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 07:13 AM   #12
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Looking forward to the hill climb.
I was just wondering what the format was going to look like for the racing this year? This is an example of typical double elimination racing where everyone gets a chance to run twice. This also eliminates the chance of having someone racing for first place that already has a loss in that class. If there is any prize money given away this system also allows for 2nd and 3rd place to be determined. Just my 2 cents, I have attened the last two years and had a great time. This is also a good event for spectators and I would like to see it continue for as long as possible.
I agree with this too. There is prize money involved (even though small amount) and 1st place should be someone that doesn't have a loss. Then you also have a clear 2nd and 3rd place if those positions payout as well. I also like the wheel idea for lane choice. I've been to both so far and it is a great time the entire weekend.
I'm thinking there may be a white Chevy truck that will be tough to beat in the 36" and up class.
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 01:00 PM   #13
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White Chevy truck? You sure its white, i was thinking a different color Chevy truck. A little older Chevy truck too.
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 05:51 PM   #14
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Looking forward to racing and meeting all you all. Room already paid for at Schuss village, See you downstairs at Ivans.
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 06:17 PM   #15
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 11:53 PM   #16
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Ok, after a LOT of thinking and a thorough evaluation of the bracket idea being proposed, it has been concluded that we just can't do the brackets in a bracket for 1st/bracket for 2nd.... style. I appreciate those who brought it up because it did provoke a lot of thought and we really looked deeply into the idea compared to how we did things last year. But in the end it's just not going to work in that way exactly.

The real reason the loser round was introduced last year was solely to make sure everyone got to run the hill at least twice. We didn't want anyone making the trip up north(or south) to run once and get sent back to their trailer. The fact that the 1st round losers are given a "mulligan" (with the loser round of racing) and could come back to win the whole shin-dig is just part of what will make this event different than others. I'm sure any of you thinking that isn't fair would not likely turn down the 1st place trophy if it was you winning it
It's just going to be one of the details that are a part of this event. Signed, stamped, sealed. Done.

I really do appreciate everyone's input. It lets me know what's on people's minds, allows people to throw out ideas, just sometimes it doesn't fit some of the other parameters involved. Sorry if some still feel differently, but I thank you guys for understanding that you weren't ignored... this is how it has to be(for many reasons.)

Moving on..... we did just get a nice load of snow here, a good 10 inches. The resort is already making snow at a clippers pace. I met with the radio station today and those of you on the western side of the state may be hearing more about this event. More details to come.....

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Old December 3rd, 2010, 11:55 PM   #17
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i keep forgetting to ask....

What are some of the busiest mud bogging/racing websites that need this info put in front of them? The sand drag guys are wanting to see if there are any boggers that think they can hold their own against them.
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Old December 4th, 2010, 12:38 AM   #18
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i will be there this year. how many diesels showed up last year?
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Surprisingly we've only seen between 5-8 diesel trucks show up. With how popular and and apt diesel owners are to tune/lift their rigs I would have expected more. But no worries, we also learned over the last couple years that the diesels didn't really need to be set off on their own. So in with the crowd they go.
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what class would my diesel run in... its got exhaust and intake and all that good stuff and on 35s. would i have to race in the mod class or how would that work?
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