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Old November 3rd, 2011, 01:32 PM   #1
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Default Electrical tape that won't leave harness a mess?

I'm going to be stripping down a stock wiring harness for an engine swap, and I'm looking for a better alternative to the standard (cheap) electrical tape for closing up the harness? (besides zip ties)

I find electrical tape, at least the crap I usually buy, tends to make a mess under the hood. It looks great until it gets a few heat/cool cycles, and then it's game over.

When I worked on my Jeep 4.7 harness they had some tape that reminded me of hockey tape, but it didn't leave a ton of glue behind when you removed it. It was also in good shape after years under the engine hood, whereas standard electrical tape starts falling off after a month or two.

So what I am looking for? What should I ask for at the electric supply place to get some better tape that can live underhood?

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Old November 3rd, 2011, 01:44 PM   #2
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colored corrogated slit tubing. pick a color that stands out nicely to make it easier to identify parts of your harness. use colored electrical tape and colored zip ties to pretty it up. my .02
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Corrugated is for punks (looks shitty - ask me how I know )
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Look for either self-amalgamating tape (only sticks to itself) or Gaffer's tape (which is more like duct tape, but doesn't leave residue).
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if I can hijack for a second-

scooter, spill the beans please - I have to do this same job on my tahoe week after next

whats wrong with a corrogated or fabric loom? why use nylon tape?
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 02:21 PM   #6
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That cheap jumbo pack vinyl electrical tape is the worst, that stuff oozes the adhesive just sitting on the work bench. 3M/Scotch brand is a few buck more, but the quality is noticeable.

But this is what you're looking for: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tesa-51025-C...-/230640255373

If you want to get real fancy you can find the wire harness sleeve wraps too, same brand.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 02:28 PM   #7
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 02:31 PM   #8
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anyone click my link?

-anyway, the corrugated crap just looks like crap, and isn't the greatest fun keeping the wiring in. The vinyl tape I posted doesn't have adhesive and sticks to itself well, At each end, just use some high quality electrical tape to secure it - it looks more professional / OEM than the plastic poop-pipe.

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Yep, looking at the site right now. Also looking at the tape EBS showed.
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Old November 8th, 2011, 07:19 PM   #10
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This is more of a show car thing but what the heck I will toss it out there.

If you want a attractive looking loom that will look great for years and still let you get to the wires easily.

Buy some cheap loom and mock up covering you wire harness putting a piece of tape before and after any Branch coming out of the loom.

Take it to a upholstery shop and tell them you want to have them to use fire retardant fabric(look at old cloth looms to get a idea of what you want) and have a slit cut down the side and install vinyl zippers up to the branch part of the wire(between the pieces of tape).

You just need to make sure the vinyl zipper is out of sight. This requires the branch wire to come out out of sight next to the vinyl zipper. Just make it so it has a flap covering the zipper and the zipper will remain like new. You will have a great looking custom loom that will let you unzip a area and look for shorts easily then zip it back up once fixed. It is also dry cleanable in case you blow a radiator hose or something.

You can also do this with leather but the high temperatures under the hood discolor it unevenly making it look horrible(ask me how I know). It is virtually impossible to clean, and cracks, It is also a lot more expensive.
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One trick we use for keeping the wires glue-less underneath is using 3m Super 33+. Make one wrap around then spin the roll so you will be applying the tape sticky-side out. To cap, run your tape correctly (sticky-side down) over the loom again. So you will need to buy 2 times the amount normally needed but your wires underneath will be very tightly packed and glue free. We don't do this often, only when moving things around in the factory so we use this method to protect the wire tags underneath.
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Look for either self-amalgamating tape (only sticks to itself) or Gaffer's tape (which is more like duct tape, but doesn't leave residue).

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http://www.my-car-computer.com/self-...ting-tape.html
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One trick we use for keeping the wires glue-less underneath is using 3m Super 33+. Make one wrap around then spin the roll so you will be applying the tape sticky-side out. To cap, run your tape correctly (sticky-side down) over the loom again. So you will need to buy 2 times the amount normally needed but your wires underneath will be very tightly packed and glue free. We don't do this often, only when moving things around in the factory so we use this method to protect the wire tags underneath.

Good idea!
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We use this at work too. Remember than you have to peel the film off the back? If you reel enough off to do a loom you will undoubtedly have a ton of this stuff on the ground picking up all sorts of dust and debris that makes it so it doesn't even stick to itself. It does work wonders though. We use it in every motor connection box with a cap of Super 33+. Years later you can open the full tape job with a few swipes of your razor knife.

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One thing to keep in mind about the different tape types is application. Electrical tape is designed for a specific use and if you want it to have the temperature range you need it to then your going to need to pay more for it.

I've seen the self-adhering and gaffers tape....things to keep in mind self-adhering tape is awesome but it will do the same stuff that electrical tape will in certain conditions, i.e the adhesive will leak out when heated. Gaffers tape is a great substitute it is more expensive than duct tape, has the same characteristics but leaves no residue behind when removes but in order to maintain this characteristic there had to be changes i.e less adhesive so it will lose its "stickiness" sooner.

There are a ton of different tape options out there if thats what your looking for you just need to such by application characteristics - some of the higher end electrical tapes will work and so will gaffers.


Now for my two cents! 3M SUCKS!! haha though this should not deter you from buy what you want....i know more than anyone should about tape so i could help more with more information
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johnny, I have somee of the tape left over that I used, it only sticks (clings) to itself.

Do you need it right away? You can try what I have and if you like it, keep it
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Look for either self-amalgamating tape (only sticks to itself) or Gaffer's tape (which is more like duct tape, but doesn't leave residue).

Bad advice, gaff tape hates heat, and will get gummy, leave residue and eventually fail
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It all depends on the grade in which you buy the gaffers tape....my company doesn't even make it so i'm not trying to curve people
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It all depends on the grade in which you buy the gaffers tape....my company doesn't even make it so i'm not trying to curve people

doesn't matter what grade, they all fail.

I have most likely used cases of every manufacturer of gaff tape out there. For short term applications it's perfect and leaves no residue. Anything long term (longer than 2 - 3 weeks) and you will have issues.

I have used it in several place's on my jeep and never had satisfying results.

I should mention, I work in the entertainment industry and am constantly in use of gaff, and often procure amounts for personal use. (read have at several times had cases in my garage lol)
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johnny, I have somee of the tape left over that I used, it only sticks (clings) to itself.

Do you need it right away? You can try what I have and if you like it, keep it
No, I've got some time before we close up the harness. Jesse is getting some of the tesa tape that I'll give a try as well.
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