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Old November 25th, 2011, 08:28 PM   #41
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Love your attention to detail. Build looks great I really like how the the front inner wheel wells turned out.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 09:21 PM   #42
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I also spent a long time researching and designing a hybrid cage. I took my plans to JCR and they agreed to build the cage and some rear doors for me.
How much did it cost for the cage?

I have liked this build since I saw the pics put by JCR after doing the cage.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 07:17 AM   #43
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Love your attention to detail. Build looks great I really like how the the front inner wheel wells turned out.
Thanks. Depending on the tools you have available these could be made fairly easy. I don't have acess to a brake so 70-some bucks seemed like a steal.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 07:24 AM   #44
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How much did it cost for the cage?

I have liked this build since I saw the pics put by JCR after doing the cage.
I don't want to say... It was several years ago and steel/labor prices can change. I will say it was a pretty good chunk of $ and it ended up taking a lot more time than JCR estimated, however, they did honored the original quote. They are good people down there. I'm sure if you give Daryl a call he can get you quote without too much trouble.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 09:06 AM   #45
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I don't want to say... It was several years ago and steel/labor prices can change. I will say it was a pretty good chunk of $ and it ended up taking a lot more time than JCR estimated, however, they did honored the original quote. They are good people down there. I'm sure if you give Daryl a call he can get you quote without too much trouble.
No problem, I understand. I will definitely call them if I don't do the cage myself.

Keep up the awesome work. This is one of my favorite XJ's.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 03:55 PM   #46
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Finally finished with the Chevy harness. It was a bit of work, but it's perfect and everything will fit nicely. I ended up drawing my engine bay and engine with connectors on a piece of cardboard to line it all up. Nearly every wire was shortened or lengthened to make it the fit the XJ. I also removed all unnecessary wires including pins all the way out to the PCM, I am very happy with the way it turned out.

There is great guy named Brendan that does these harnesses and tuning for a good price. However, if you want to do it yourself he actually puts all of the info on his site www.lt1swap.com I only had to look at AllData for 2 transmission wires because I wanted the plug my XJ back-up lights into the Chevy harness. Everything else you need to do this is there on his site.

Started with this.


Taking it apart and sorting it out.


Removed all this to make it a stand alone harness.


Finished harness.


Hoping to finish gutting the XJ harness by this weekend and get this part done.

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Old November 30th, 2011, 04:36 PM   #47
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you've got more balls than me. what a friggin rats nest of wires! looks great at the end tho..
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Old November 30th, 2011, 05:01 PM   #48
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Done that a few times, keep going back to the schematic to make sure I delete the right one. Always turns out nice and clean.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 05:49 PM   #49
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Man that is beautifull,nice job.I may have missed it,but what did you do for a radiator and fan,does it stay cool wheeling it?I built a small block xj years ago and had problems cooling it,mine started as a 4cyl,so it had no room for a bigger radiator.I had to build my own saddle,and run hood pins,hated it.I strive for a clean factory look on every swap I do,it's never as easy as people think.I ended up building a stroker for my tj because I was not going to spend $1000 on autometer gauges to have some punk kid destroy my jeep to steal them,like happened to a freind of mine.I figured i would have to piggyback computors to make dash work,but no way to make factory tach work,that i could figure out.Im happy with my stroker,but is my daily driver,it runs a lot harder then i expected,and a lot harder then the v8$ I've raced.Do you ever get to silverlake?Id love to touch them off on the dragstrip for fun.I raced a few smallblock jeeps,aint been beat yet.(not Ls motors)
Do I dare ask for a estimate on the $ for the Ls swap? I figured $5000 min for me to do it correctly(the only way ) in my tj,using a used 5.3 and 4l60e
Any idea on the hrs you spent for all the guys saying how easy it is to do,correctly?
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Old December 1st, 2011, 04:45 AM   #50
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you've got more balls than me. what a friggin rats nest of wires! looks great at the end tho..
It's not as bad as it looks. You just have to take your time and refer to the schematics and if you go to that website I mentioned above Brendan actually gives it to you step-by-step with very little grey area. It would surprise you to see how little these engines need to run in a stand alone configuration (without the truck attached).
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Old December 1st, 2011, 05:09 AM   #51
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I may have missed it,but what did you do for a radiator and fan,does it stay cool wheeling it?
Originally I ran the stock 115k mile radiator with stock e-fan and a 12" flex-lite and a bunch of hokie copper tubing connected with pieces of cut off radiator hoses - it sucked. I had a 180* thermostat and would do okay most of the time driving around town. On the trail it would slowly creep up to about 220*. The biggest problem was on the dunes where it would get right up to 235* and after a couple climbs it would push 250*. I finally spent a few bucks and bought a Be Cool Chevy/XJ radiator from Jegs, then I got the XJ three fan set-up from dirtbound offroad without his shroud and installed the stock 186* thermostat. Now it stays at 186* most of the time and on really hot days it may creep up to 189-190* - same on the trails. On the dunes it still gets warm, but never goes above 215-220*.

Here are a couple pics of the fans on the radiator. I had a friend bend the aluminum and cut the holes for me. I don't love diamond plate, but the price was right and you can barely see it when it's installed anyway.




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Old December 1st, 2011, 05:30 AM   #52
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Do I dare ask for a estimate on the $ for the Ls swap? I figured $5000 min for me to do it correctly(the only way ) in my tj,using a used 5.3 and 4l60e
Any idea on the hrs you spent for all the guys saying how easy it is to do,correctly?
I put this list together a while back when I kept seeing outrageous estimates of the cost by people who never actually did the swap. My cost was higher due to a lack of research early on and a lack of available parts when I started it a few years ago. Novak makes this swap pretty easy now. As far as hours... no idea. Depending on availability of tools, skills and time it could be anywhere from 2 weeks to a year or more.

Here's the cost the list. There are a lot of misc things that will add up to a few hundred dollars too.

5.3L/4L60e/NP231J
Motor 1000
Trans + shop to install shaft 700
Harness + programming 425
Exhaust (including headers) 600
Fuel 200
Radiator 500
Advance Adapters 600
Motor Mounts 200
Total 4225

5.3L/4L60e/NP241C
Motor 1000
Trans 500
T-case 400
Harness + programming 425
Exhaust (including headers) 600
Fuel 200
Radiator 500
Motor Mounts 200
Total 3825
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Old December 1st, 2011, 11:25 AM   #53
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Very Impressive.

That radiator setup is freaking beautiful.

Did you have room to put a transmission cooler anywhere?
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Old December 1st, 2011, 01:31 PM   #54
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I put this list together a while back when I kept seeing outrageous estimates of the cost by people who never actually did the swap. My cost was higher due to a lack of research early on and a lack of available parts when I started it a few years ago. Novak makes this swap pretty easy now. As far as hours... no idea. Depending on availability of tools, skills and time it could be anywhere from 2 weeks to a year or more.

Here's the cost the list. There are a lot of misc things that will add up to a few hundred dollars too.

5.3L/4L60e/NP231J
Motor 1000
Trans + shop to install shaft 700
Harness + programming 425
Exhaust (including headers) 600
Fuel 200
Radiator 500
Advance Adapters 600
Motor Mounts 200
Total 4225

5.3L/4L60e/NP241C
Motor 1000
Trans 500
T-case 400
Harness + programming 425
Exhaust (including headers) 600
Fuel 200
Radiator 500
Motor Mounts 200
Total 3825
Thanks for the numbers,looks like my calculations were pretty acurate,after you add a dash full of autometer,and all those extra trips to the parts store,I was probobly a little light at$5000.
Man that is a sexy radiator/fan set up.My biggest cooling problems were in the dunes also,I would take my hood off and leave it in the parking lot,that was the best way to keep it cool in the dunes,that I found.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 01:43 PM   #55
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Very Impressive.

That radiator setup is freaking beautiful.

Did you have room to put a transmission cooler anywhere?
Thanks. I have a nice tranny cooler and power steering cooler in front of it and I mounted it about 1.5" forward. Plenty of room up there.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 01:46 PM   #56
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cool build
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Old December 1st, 2011, 01:48 PM   #57
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Thanks for the numbers,looks like my calculations were pretty acurate,after you add a dash full of autometer,and all those extra trips to the parts store,I was probobly a little light at$5000.
Man that is a sexy radiator/fan set up.My biggest cooling problems were in the dunes also,I would take my hood off and leave it in the parking lot,that was the best way to keep it cool in the dunes,that I found.
Remember the prices I put up there are for a 40k mile drop-out engine and a 40k miles transmission. You could get both of them for half that or less if you went higher on the miles. Also, you mentioned $1000 worth of Auto Meters earlier, all of mine came to half that.

There isn't much harder on the Jeep than the dunes on a 90* day, just how it is.
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Old December 3rd, 2011, 05:50 PM   #58
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Had a good couple days out in the garage and made some real progress. I eliminated every wire from under the hood that wasn't needed - there was a lot. I chased them either under the dash or back to the relay center. I re-wired the relay center so the fan relay is driving my e-fans through the Chevy PCM control. I wish I had thought of it earlier I would have had the fuel pump relay do the same. Oh well. I did re-wire the ASD relay to provide my 12vdc for PCM turn on and 12vdc for my gauges/accessories. While I was in there pre-wired the fuel pump relay and AC clutch relay so they can easily be used in the future for lights or whatever I want.

I haven't had a washer bottle since I cut my front fenders and raised my flares. A while back I found a washer bottle at the JY that I was going to rig up some how. IIRC it was from a Grand Cherokee. Turns out it fit perfect on my new inner fenders so I re-wired the connectors and re-routed the hoses to make it work. I just had to turn my relay center a bit. It looks factory where it is now. Just a little more on the driver's side and I can install the Chevy harness and PCM and see if it runs again.

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Old December 3rd, 2011, 06:42 PM   #59
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Nice progress, John.

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[QUOTE=John D;2866999]Remember the prices I put up there are for a 40k mile drop-out engine and a 40k miles transmission. You could get both of them for half that or less if you went higher on the miles. Also, you mentioned $1000 worth of Auto Meters earlier, all of mine came to half that.

There isn't much harder on the Jeep than the dunes on a 90* day, just how it is.

I had a 80,000 mile 5.3 and 4l60 available for $650 when I built my stroker,but it's my daily driver.I new the dash would give me fit's trying to make everything nice and pretty,and couldn't afford the time it takes to a swap correctly,like you did.
I learned along time ago to round up when spending money on a project,alot of people dont think about the little things that add up.It seems I can go to napa 5 times a day in the heat of wrenching,and that adds up quick.It makes more sence to me to figure a little extra for a project and get it done,then to start without a realization of what stuff really costs now days.Nothing worse then getting a project 1/2 done and running out of money.
I didnt pay too much attention to your gauges,I want to go back and study your build
Better,it deserves it,again beatiful job.I know the last dash full of liquid filled pro comp gauges i built did not come cheap,maybe over kill,but I like cool stuff.
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