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Old September 21st, 2006, 01:08 PM   #1
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Default Crap; A senators reply to me on forest certification - UPDATED

Short summary: Michigan is greedy and can't rape our forests to sell lumber without certification.

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Thank you for your contacting my office regarding the effects of Governor
Granholmís Sustainable Forestry Initiative on off-road vehicle trail access. I
would like to take the opportunity to respond.



As you may know, the Sustainable Forestry Initiative (Public Act number 125) was
signed into law by Governor Granholm on May 28, 2004. The law was effective
starting on January 1, 2006, requires that the Department of Natural Resources
shall seek and maintain forestry certification by at least one credible,
non-profit, non-governmental certification program.



Certification of Michiganís forest ensures a market for Michiganís timber.
Michigan is competitive in the timber market now, but would lose its base in the
timber industry were Michiganís forests not certified. As many corporate buyers
including Home Depot Incorporated refuse to buy wood from uncertified forests,
it is necessary for Michigan to protect its market for the sake of the stateís
economy. Michiganís timber market in conjunction with forest-based tourism
provides 150,000 jobs and generates 9 billion dollars in revenue for the stateís
economy. Economic interest is not the only thing protected by the law. The
Sustainable Forestry Initiative also encourages responsible practices in the
timber industry.



In regard to ORV trail access, the Department of Natural Resources has developed
a way to let citizens nominate which lands should be protected from ORVís and
which areas should be accessible. If you are interested in more information
regarding this subject, feel free to contact Michiganís Department of Natural
Resources at 248-359-9040.



Once again, I would like to thank you for contacting my office and please do not
hesitate to do so again in the future.

Raymond E. Basham
State Senator
8th District
09/29/06 UPDATE
I finally got ahold of someone at the number Basham gave me; it was an office in southfield for parks, and had nothing to do with forrestry. The woman I talked to was very nice and searched for the correct person for me to call. She gave me this info:
Jim Radabaugh
517-373-1276

I plan on calling hm as soon as I have some time to talk.
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Old September 21st, 2006, 01:28 PM   #2
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Um, please decifer this for me... basically "people" get to nominate what lands are off limits to ORVs. What "people" and who is backing them? Peta? Greenpeace? Who get's to nominate lands for OPENING up lands to ORV use? Who are those "people"?
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So, are you going to call?
I'd be interested in 'who' as well as HOW.
I have trails and areas that I'd like to see 'open'.
So how do I make sure they are?

My time is tied up with our National Forest Plan Appeal and the Two Trackers Road Reopening Event details.

Get you to do the 'footwork' on this one and report back the details?

If you call and they deny the program, we should let the 'Senator' know that he's been misled and that there is NO such program according to the DNR who HE instructed you to contact.
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Yer talking to Scooter right?

Out west here we're fighting the liberals who just shut down 30,000 acres in Johnson Valley that will never be re-opened. The yellow deep-throated seaweed toad or something took a crap there 20 million years ago, so now it's off limits to ORV.

Pricks. Johnson Valley = the wickedest wheeling in SoCal.
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[quote=Clarksinca]Yer talking to Scooter right? quote]

Yea, sorry.

Actually I'm asking anyone who's willing to take Scooter's info and run with it.

Every single one of these little 'projects' are important.
There are just WAY too many for a few guys from GLFWDA, Rustbelt, Sand and Swamp, or the Two Trackers to handle.

What we really need are a couple of people in each county to monitor their area and additional "groups" to handle each of the larger State and National Forest issues.

About 200 dedicated volunteers would probably be a good start.
I'd settle for seeing another new face (besides mine) handling this.

Sorry, end of 'mini' rant.
I just think that with enough 'serious' work we can make our situation at least a little better than it has become over the last 20 years.
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Phone # is a generic DNR # in southfield. Tried to get the operator and got dumped into the voiicemail system.

I left a brief message with my phone number and asked to be called back regard the above issue.

How nice.
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Default Thanks Scooter!

Sorry about my 'mini rant' the other night.
I guess I was having a bad day.

Thanks for calling.

Get you to keep calling until you get an answer?

Might take a few weeks.

Remember, no mater how utterly ridiculous the situation becomes, we (you) MUST remain POLITE at all costs. It's not always as easy as it sounds.

Scoot, get you to PM me your phone # and a good time to call ya?
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Sorry about my 'mini rant' the other night.
I guess I was having a bad day.

Thanks for calling.

Get you to keep calling until you get an answer?

Might take a few weeks.

Remember, no mater how utterly ridiculous the situation becomes, we (you) MUST remain POLITE at all costs. It's not always as easy as it sounds.

Scoot, get you to PM me your phone # and a good time to call ya?
I'm putting a reminder on my calendar at work when I get in on Monday.

i'll pm ya my info.
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http://michigan.gov/documents/ForMin...v_142505_7.htm

heres the link to search who to talk too. I would start with Lynn Boyd head of forest mineral & fire management
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like what? right now I'm doing surveys for rep Sheltrown about the revamp of the ORV right of way laws. if he gets everything he wants it will open the majority of the state to ORV use on its road shoulders. I have been filling in gaps that people seem to think will fix themselves. he really is tring to help. but theres lots of people who don't want us around.
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Sorry, waiting to be able to block enough time free to talk to Jim radabaugh.
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a way to let citizens nominate which lands should be protected from ORVís
WTF is that supposed to mean. I suggest you write the senator back and bitch-slap him. Let him know that ORV users maintained the fire lanes to prevent the spread of forest fires until the government got involved. Maybe the land should be protected from politicians.
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... Let him know that ORV users maintained the fire lanes to prevent the spread of forest fires until the government got involved. Maybe the land should be protected from politicians.
I've discussed trail issues with Trail Fanatic previously and this is the type of thing that needs to be documented and presented to the politicians as "ammunition" in our favor.

For years the image of off road vehicles & their owners has been one of damage to the environment, reckless abadon on the trails, beer swilling polluters that just want to tear up the natural habitat for some fun. The face of off roading is changing and you have a lot more families off roading, and clubs that are concerned about the trails we use, and keeping them open. We have to get this accross to the politicians: "We are not a liability, we are an asset to these habitats and maintenance of natural areas. "

And quite honestly, there are still the beer swilling "YEE-HA's" out there that are giving us a bad name, leaving their trash all over the trails and "busting brush" off the established trails. We [as trail custodians and fellow off road trail users] need to get a grip on these people, police up ourselves. Otherwise, our sport is doomed to extinction. Ya gotta grow up sometime, and if you're weilding a 3000lb, 500hp wheeling machine, I'd hope you have some maturity about you. Otherwise, people are not going to wheel with you, and wheeling alone sux.
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