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Old October 1st, 2006, 11:31 PM   #41
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O was it the French that really wanted us free?? Really? From the text books I have read (I wasn't alive at the time) it was actually the future US that started the war and later the French helped out. . . what text books did you read??

If you need to read a history book I'm sure you could find one on the Revolutionary war at www.amazon.com. Try to brush up on your history before you post stuff like that.

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Where's your barely thought out responses to Grifter and Clarksinca... two veterans who have seen these things first hand?
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O was it the French that really wanted us free?? Really? From the text books I have read (I wasn't alive at the time) it was actually the future US that started the war and later the French helped out. . . what text books did you read??

If you need to read a history book I'm sure you could find one on the Revolutionary war at www.amazon.com. Try to brush up on your history before you post stuff like that.

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hmm you mean like kurdish rebels in north iraq (american rebels role)? and the US helping out (french role)? You mean kurdish rebels that WMDs were used on ? Also since you brought up books again see my above post about article 4 section 4 and how you need to do some serious reading of the constitution ... you also said you werent coming back .... but couldnt resist slaming Stone. :tonka:

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Where's your barely thought out responses to Grifter and Clarksinca... two veterans who have seen these things first hand?
I just figured out why your sooo jelouse of me. My avatar has a picture of MY jeep that is lifted and that pissed you off since you have a tiny little jeep:tonka:

As for Grifter and Clarksinca they have their own opinion and I doubt I'm going to change it so why bother. I don't believe they are right and I'm sure they don't believe I'm right but that's the whole idea about having your OWN opinion.

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I just figured out why your sooo jelouse of me. My avatar has a picture of MY jeep that is lifted and that pissed you off since you have a tiny little jeep:tonka:

As for Grifter and Clarksinca they have their own opinion and I doubt I'm going to change it so why bother. I don't believe they are right and I'm sure they don't believe I'm right but that's the whole idea about having your OWN opinion.
superstocker: in answer to your question, hopefully there was no direct answer because we didnt leave much to argue over..i dont feel that my post was out to insult one side or the other..i'd like to think that its rather middle of the line. my first post could have been written by CMU. or anybody that has a solid understanding of government and how its designed to operate no matter which side of the coin they choose to live on..

CMUjeeper: i would like to think that i am open enough to hear and read your's and others opinions without feeling the need to bash it just because it isnt my point of veiw..i guess i just dont see one man as the "problem"..i said it already we arnt a fascist nation, hopefully never will be..there is a whole group of voted on people sitting around on capital hill making butt loads of cash, hopefully doing what "they"(the individual) feels is right for the general public that they represent. so far it seams that the majority sees fit to continue in iraq and afghanistan. i personally do think we need to be there in force taking names and hunting down the bad guys.enough so that i am considering another tour. Kinda like this saying from football "the best defense is a good offense". no matter how you slice it if we take it to them and keep them on the defensive on their soil then we shouldnt have to worry as much back here. i think if the coin was flipped and we wheren't over their chasing terrorists that the G.public would probably be calling for action of some sort or another, while all the while sitting aroundhiding, worrying and waiting for the next attack...i'd much rather be proactive..

for whats its worth..opinions are like assholes everybodies got one.


the issue here is in regards to my brothers and sisters in arms whose pictures are being used to promote an agenda..i dont think any of them would have wished for that. as they all fought and died protecting our country and a way of life and set of ideals that they chose to believe in. to use them to advance an agenda post life with out their respective knowledge is bullshit..unfortunatly there is nothing we can do about it seeing as they havent given me persmissio to hunt down and destroy the people that choose to make this bullshit.

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CMUjeeper: i would like to think that i am open enough to hear and read your's and others opinions without feeling the need to bash it just because it isnt my point of veiw..i guess i just dont see one man as the "problem"..i said it already we arnt a fascist nation, hopefully never will be..there is a whole group of voted on people sitting around on capital hill making butt loads of cash, hopefully doing what "they"(the individual) feels is right for the general public that they represent. so far it seams that the majority sees fit to continue in iraq and afghanistan. i personally do think we need to be there in force taking names and hunting down the bad guys.enough so that i am considering another tour. Kinda like this saying from football "the best defense is a good offense". no matter how you slice it if we take it to them and keep them on the defensive on their soil then we shouldnt have to worry as much back here. i think if the coin was flipped and we wheren't over their chasing terrorists that the G.public would probably be calling for action of some sort or another, while all the while sitting aroundhiding, worrying and waiting for the next attack...i'd much rather be proactive..

for whats its worth..opinions are like assholes everybodies got one.


the issue here is in regards to my brothers and sisters in arms whose pictures are being used to promote an agenda..i dont think any of them would have wished for that. as they all fought and died protecting our country and a way of life and set of ideals that they chose to believe in. to use them to advance an agenda post life with out their respective knowledge is bullshit..unfortunatly there is nothing we can do about it seeing as they havent given me persmissio to hunt down and destroy the people that choose to make this bullshit.
I posted earlier that I can understand your thoughts about how they wouldn't want to be part of that. I also said that it was a pretty good statement to promote an angenda.

As for the whole war I don't think all the blame should be on bush since it was a classic case of the "groupthink" phenomenon with a bunch of people giving bad ideas but Bush is the head symbol and is the easiest person to point a finger at.

SS: I know your only 18 so go find a managment book or Google "Groupthink" and then you can get an idea of what I'm talking about. Wouldn't want you to make some stupid stament without understanding what the term implies.
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I also said that it was a pretty good statement to promote an angenda.

No, it's a very poor statement to promote an agenda, and in very bad taste. Doesn't matter how you feel about the war, the mosaic is in very poor taste and disrespectful to the soldiers who's faces appear in it.
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so my pastor in church relayed this story to me yesterday. so i pose this to everyone republican, democrat or other whatever you are..think it thru.

back in 2004 around election time a group of students participating in a political science class began to argue over the upcoming election, naturally things got heated. at which point the professor interjected a thought into the arguement. "How much will the result of the coming election truly alter your daily way of life?" (so whats your answer? obviously not much right?)professors next question, "So, why do you care so much?" what a question to pose to a group of future politicians....

good question huh, we know we cant change a thing, its all already been done..so why do we continually have to hash this shit over..hell the last pres. got impeached and he still sat thru his term to completion right? so obviously there isnt much that we can do to alter the current state of things. so why are we in here arguing over the same topics, ragging on the same people again and again?

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No, it's a very poor statement to promote an agenda, and in very bad taste. Doesn't matter how you feel about the war, the mosaic is in very poor taste and disrespectful to the soldiers who's faces appear in it.
good as in a way that it has pissed you off and your still talking about it. As the old saying goes, "bad publicity is still good publicity"
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[QUOTE=cmujeeper]I posted earlier that I can understand your thoughts about how they wouldn't want to be part of that. I also said that it was a pretty good statement to promote an angenda.

As for the whole war I don't think all the blame should be on bush since it was a classic case of the "groupthink" phenomenon with a bunch of people giving bad ideas but Bush is the head symbol and is the easiest person to point a finger at.

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be careful, it might just look like we agree...oooooo nooo..a republican soldier and a democrat free thinker agreeing. NEVER

Group think..good call...we just differ on whether or not the group think made the "right" decision...uh o thats a lil to close to agreement for comfort..i think you should make a very outrageous claim so we can get back into a heated arguement and look once again like bitter enemies...growl...

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I posted earlier that I can understand your thoughts about how they wouldn't want to be part of that. I also said that it was a pretty good statement to promote an angenda.

As for the whole war I don't think all the blame should be on bush since it was a classic case of the "groupthink" phenomenon with a bunch of people giving bad ideas but Bush is the head symbol and is the easiest person to point a finger at.

SS: I know your only 18 so go find a managment book or Google "Groupthink" and then you can get an idea of what I'm talking about. Wouldn't want you to make some stupid stament without understanding what the term implies.
more free thinking . Just becuase you know his age and your a few years older that means your knowledgable and he is misinformed? Nice ! Some how i have a feeling you weren't exactly humble at 18. Also funny is your in your mid 20s and talk down to an 18 year old simply on age, but have no problem talking shit to guys in their mid 40's or pushing 50 years old. Nice touch i love a good loud hypocrit. There is no reason a well read 18 year old cant know as much or more than you at 24-25, especially if he is a "free thinking 18", listens, learns, and forms his own opinions, is a voracious reader and up on world events and pays attention to all sorts of stuff.

Best part is your advice to him is read a book :tonka: , not live in the real world for another decade, or hey SS i thought i knew allot at 18 and by the time i was 21 i thought the 18 year old me was a douche. You advice is read a book! Unless there is a minimum age to buy a book focusing on group think, what makes you think since your so worldly and experience at 24 ish he doesnt already know that? LOL your responses are riddled with poor logic. "Your wrong your not old enough superstocker ... the answer is this book that any 5th grader can go to the library and check out"

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good as in a way that it has pissed you off and your still talking about it. As the old saying goes, "bad publicity is still good publicity"
the quote your thinking of is: there is no such thing as bad publicity.

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more free thinking . Just becuase you know his age and your a few years older that means your knowledgable and he is misinformed? Nice ! Some how i have a feeling you weren't exactly humble at 18. Also funny is your in your mid 20s and talk down to an 18 year old simply on age, but have no problem talking shit to guys in their mid 40's or pushing 50 years old. Nice touch i love a good loud hypocrit. There is no reason a well read 18 year old cant know as much or more than you at 24-25, especially if he is a "free thinking 18", listens, learns, and forms his own opinions, is a voracious reader and up on world events and pays attention to all sorts of stuff.

Best part is your advice to him is read a book :tonka: , not live in the real world for another decade, or hey SS i thought i knew allot at 18 and by the time i was 21 i thought the 18 year old me was a douche. You advice is read a book! Unless there is a minimum age to buy a book focusing on group think, what makes you think since your so worldly and experience at 24 ish he doesnt already know that? LOL your responses are riddled with poor logic. "Your wrong your not old enough superstocker ... the answer is this book that any 5th grader can go to the library and check out"



the quote your thinking of is: there is no such thing as bad publicity.

The whole book think was just some advice in case he didn't know what groupthink was. I didn't know what it was at the age of 18 so just relaying good info that would have helped me at that age but reagradless it is good to see your sticking up for your boyfriend

So do you have anything usefull to add to this post besides proving your man love for SS??

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Good to see your sticking up for your boyfriend

So do you have anything usefull to add to this post besides proving your man love for SS??
well i already added to it and couldnt resist pointing out your hypocracy. I have only met SS once, i have no man love for him He is a cool guy though. Your the one that said you werent comming back to this thread. You get a book on the constitution yet? Or try google I was 18 once and so were you, i was not a idiot at 18, and i am only a few years older than you ....and for that reason i dont talk down to 18 year old like they are 6. He can join the military or go to prison or start a business or get married i think 18 is old enough to tell you when your wrong

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well i already added to it and couldnt resist pointing out your hypocracy. I have only met SS once, i have no man love for him He is a cool guy though. Your the one that said you werent comming back to this thread. You get a book on the constitution yet? Or try google I was 18 once and so were you, i was not a idiot at 18, and i am only a few years older than you ....and for that reason i dont talk down to 18 year old like they are 6. He can join the military or go to prison or start a business or get married i think 18 is old enough to tell you when your wrong
If you think that this:
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The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

give the US a reason to fight pointless wars then so be it. If it makes you sleep better at night knowing that those 2000+ have died (in my opinion) not protecting us but Iraq then good for you

Pretty different points of view as what we read into Section 4 Article 4 . . . but whatever

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i can repect the fact that its not tradtional in the sense we were attached by a movement or a group not one particular nation. I would like to hear from you when is it ok for the US to react. In your mind when do we have the right to go take care of busines. Does the fighting have to be a war on main land USA soil in order for the deaths of soldiers to be justified in your mind? Just curious where you draw the line of acceptable and needless war fare
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O was it the French that really wanted us free?? Really? From the text books I have read (I wasn't alive at the time) it was actually the future US that started the war and later the French helped out. . . what text books did you read??

If you need to read a history book I'm sure you could find one on the Revolutionary war at www.amazon.com. Try to brush up on your history before you post stuff like that.

Your shits WEAK!! **WEAK**(grandma's boy reference if you don't get it)
Last time I checked the shitites revolted in 91 during the gulf war but were put down when we didn't invade Iraq.
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Last time I checked the shitites revolted in 91 during the gulf war but were put down when we didn't invade Iraq.
This was in the city of Basra in the very south of Iraq. The Shiite Iraqi's were under the impression that we (the US) promised to help them if they rose up against Saddam. Lots-o-people got kill-ed. You'll notice that portion of the country is the British territory. I don't think they're quite over that yet. I'm not saying we did indeed promise help to them, but they seemed to have thought so.
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No problem, I hope they agree... "it's just what we do [did]."
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x2 . . once again I have nothing but thanks for your service.
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x2 . . once again I have nothing but thanks for your service.
As Americans, we can agree to disagree. If anyone thinks there wasn't any debate like this over the drafting of The Constitution... I'd be willing to bet CMU's body parts on it.
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