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Old September 27th, 2006, 07:54 AM   #41
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Obviously no matter what I post you will disagree with me. This is the problem with our Govt. Some of your points are true and some are true depending how you look at it.

My points are also true. You are right about radical clerics. and I am right about our being there causing more recruits. would you sign on to a force if someone you felt was wrong came to your country to change things you did not agree with?
Front page on CNN this morning to reinforce your point

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/...raq/index.html
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Old September 27th, 2006, 09:46 AM   #42
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Front page on CNN this morning to reinforce your point

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/...raq/index.html
If the media reports it, it must be true. :miff:

BTW, global warming is coming to get you. Time Magazine said so.
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Old September 27th, 2006, 11:37 AM   #43
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Front page on CNN this morning to reinforce your point

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/...raq/index.html

A link to the actual text so you can all decide for your self instead of reading the spin.......

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/RCP_PDF/NIE.pdf

Personally, I like this quote.....

"Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry on the fight."

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Old September 27th, 2006, 02:30 PM   #44
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because she or he was accusing wanting to round up muslims asshat. How old are you anyway.
HAHAHA he called icemanii an asshat:tonka:I think he is really old
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Special Forces, while good, are not the end all answer. You want to win this war, first thing you must do is get rid of the media (good luck with that). We have to fight this while being politically correct, while the other side just fights a gorilla war. Bull. We have to decide we want to win, then go after that goal. Don't tell the bleeding hearts at home how, just get it done.

As long as we fight this war in the news, we will not succeed.
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Old September 27th, 2006, 03:09 PM   #46
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Special Forces, while good, are not the end all answer. You want to win this war, first thing you must do is get rid of the media (good luck with that). We have to fight this while being politically correct, while the other side just fights a gorilla war. Bull. We have to decide we want to win, then go after that goal. Don't tell the bleeding hearts at home how, just get it done.

As long as we fight this war in the news, we will not succeed.
Welcome to the 21st century. Getting rid of the media is not an option.
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Old September 27th, 2006, 03:22 PM   #47
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Obviously no matter what I post you will disagree with me. This is the problem with our Govt. Some of your points are true and some are true depending how you look at it.
Not necessarily, if you post stuff based in fact, not in emotion and what you wish the way things were, or what would be easier on your conscious and taxs vs. what needs to be done.

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My points are also true. You are right about radical clerics. and I am right about our being there causing more recruits. would you sign on to a force if someone you felt was wrong came to your country to change things you did not agree with?
Again unless you are willing to denounce your relgion and become a radical and join their jihad then THATS what they want to kill you for. Us being there is a non issue. Saudi arabia is the motherland for islam was struck cause the ruling fmaily is not radical enough for the terrorists. Not good enough to be loyal muslims, you have to join the jihad!

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You laugh at my post about special forces. I come from a family where I my father and my grandfather have served. My fiancees father protected by gunfire the soldiers who rose the flag at Iwo-Jima I myself have worked with Seals. Trust me if the headline news was not giving out info on this war as much as they are about location of enimies and possible locations of targets we could easily take out leaders. They can watch the news and see where we are looking.
Thats great , my dad both grandpas, and 4 uncles served also. Grandma was a bigcountry riviter also, my dad was an airforce brat when he was young and my grandpa was a colonel general. I have heard lots of stuff. My neighbor was a frog man ..... the precusor to the navy seals. Ohh and reminded me how much canada sucks ass cause my grandpa was canadian but served in us militaria was dual citizen, canada blows and is a bunch of sissies they were not totally free from britain till the 1980s. Bunch of cowards. Please never compare america to canada with canada being in the favored light again.


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I dont recall much terrorism coming from those other countries you listed lately. But let me look out my window.
Well there has been terrorism in egypt and indonesia in say the next 40 years it will be everywhere.


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Again, on Canada nobody cares about them anyways.
Again its only a matter of time. The radicals hate any one including fellow muslims that dont share there view. It not limited to there home land, they want the whole world to convert or die. They are not fighting for religious freedom in there homeland like so many armed conflicts in the world, they are leaving their homeland and SEEKING OUT places to spread radical islam. EVERYWHERE IS A TARGET especially free democratic countries like canada they are as bad as the US in bending over backwards and making it easy for terrorists cause they are so PC liberal and dumb. This isnt a reglious thing .... its a muslim thing. I am not worried about buddhists traveling the world and fighting every one. I am not expecting lutherans to raid methodist churchs and kill everyone cause they arent lutheran.!!!! Its a damn muslim thing so dont chalk it up to its a reliogious thing we cant do anyting about it. The danm radicals muslims ARE THE ONLY ONES IN THE WORLD DOING THIS!!!!

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Old September 27th, 2006, 03:35 PM   #48
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HAHAHA he called icemanii an asshat:tonka:I think he is really old
I actually edited that post and apoligized to him in a PM. That was a little over the edge.
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If the media reports it, it must be true. :miff:

BTW, global warming is coming to get you. Time Magazine said so.
NICE! :tonka:
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A link to the actual text so you can all decide for your self instead of reading the spin.......

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/RCP_PDF/NIE.pdf

Personally, I like this quote.....

"Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry on the fight."

Thanks, didnt have time to find the whole report this morning, only long enough to browse CNN.
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Old September 27th, 2006, 10:39 PM   #51
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Pull out and go back to normal as in military dictatorship, you mean like when we pulled out of japan and that happend or german or south korea or vietnam ? Boznia ?
in the case of Japan and Germany pretty much the whole world was aginst them so no one was sending arms or insurgents to fight the occupation.

We didn't fight against South Korea, we fought for them. We didn't topple thier government, we just helped them against the north.

South Veitnam fell to the north after we pulled out.

Bosnia seemed to kinda figure it out on thier own.

none of these countries were surounded by countries that fundamenatlly hate us. In every one of these cases we jumped into a war that was already going on. And I don't think we worked alone to try to put together a governement for them.


I just don't see any governement that we put together in any Muslim country lasting for vary long after we leave.
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Old October 1st, 2006, 12:03 PM   #52
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I like Keith's response to it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70wOzCkWN5g&eurl=
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I like Keith's response to it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70wOzCkWN5g&eurl=
I don't disagree with everything he said, but it pisses me off when people try to shift the blame for the whole Monica mess away from Clinton. Who had an affair with a young intern in his office? Who lied about if for months trying to cover it up? Sure, everyone could have looked the other way and pretended, like he did, that it never happened. But he's the one that did it, he's the one to blame for the result.
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So, Bubba loses his cool on camera. It was bound to happen - he's getting older and it's harder to maintain the "Slick Willie" teflon coating. The weight of facts around his inaction is overwhelming.

As much as Bubba was a poor president (who thankfully knew enough to leave the economy built for him by Ronald Reagan and George Bush alone), I do believe that if he knew what Osama was up to, that he would've put more effort into it.

That's the danger of interpreting what happened in 1999 in light of what happened on 9/11/2001. Likewise, the first nine months of the Bubya administration were not as Al-Qaida focused as they would become later.

However, the inaction after the Cole and embassy attacks was inexcusable. I personally beleive the distraction of the Lewinski affair was behind that.
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I don't disagree with everything he said, but it pisses me off when people try to shift the blame for the whole Monica mess away from Clinton. Who had an affair with a young intern in his office? Who lied about if for months trying to cover it up? Sure, everyone could have looked the other way and pretended, like he did, that it never happened. But he's the one that did it, he's the one to blame for the result.
But the thing is...yeah, he had an affair...but what does that have to do with being the president of the U.S.? Did the right really have to impeach him for trying to cover up a blow job???? Whose first reaction isn't to deny that? Seriously...
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But the thing is...yeah, he had an affair...but what does that have to do with being the president of the U.S.? Did the right really have to impeach him for trying to cover up a blow job???? Whose first reaction isn't to deny that? Seriously...
It's about principles.

Most of us have pretty high expectations of the principles of the President of the United States. It he would use the power of his office to cover something this admittedly minor up, what else would he do? Or wouldn't he do?

Interestingly, when most people criticize Dubya, it's his principles they're really at issue with. While I don't agree with everything he says or stands for, I'm pretty confident that I know where he'll fall on any given issue based on his principles.
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But the thing is...yeah, he had an affair...but what does that have to do with being the president of the U.S.? Did the right really have to impeach him for trying to cover up a blow job???? Whose first reaction isn't to deny that? Seriously...
I agree with everything you just said... but it doesn't change the fact the he had the affair, and one result of him having an affair was that most of America was distracted by it and not paying much attantion to what was happening around the world, and what he did to to find bin Laden was widely viewed as him "wagging the dog" rather than a serious attempt at protecting America and fighting terrorism.
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But the thing is...yeah, he had an affair...but what does that have to do with being the president of the U.S.? Did the right really have to impeach him for trying to cover up a blow job???? Whose first reaction isn't to deny that? Seriously...
Well first and most obviously its called perjury :miff: . He should have been impeached and disgraced. He was not some regular joe lieing to his wife, he was the most powerful man in the world lieing to the whole world, it wasnt a debateable lie or interpretation or any gray area. He straight up lied under oath. I know, and you know,he wants the respect due as president, he is not a regular guy and should not be held to regular guy standards. Plus you over simplyfy it no doubt on purpose to make it seem a agenda of the . Any law maker with any respect for the judical system and the office of president should have no problem impeaching a president who perjured himself.

Its NOT a question of its an affair and lots of presidents and powerful men have affairs so let it be, its a question of HE LIED UNDER OATH AND GOT BUSTED. And he cant admit it when he loses, he has had countless affairs, and got busted with undeniable DNA evidence. He though he was bulletproof. I could care less that he had an affair, but i would be juSt as upset if it was prooved he lied any number of things under oath. THATS THE POINT !!!
I almost expect guys that powerful to have affairs, i dont care about that. He cant man up and take his licks when he gets busted though :stan3:

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Obviously no matter what I post you will disagree with me. This is the problem with our Govt. Some of your points are true and some are true depending how you look at it.

My points are also true. You are right about radical clerics. and I am right about our being there causing more recruits. would you sign on to a force if someone you felt was wrong came to your country to change things you did not agree with?

You laugh at my post about special forces. I come from a family where I my father and my grandfather have served. My fiancees father protected by gunfire the soldiers who rose the flag at Iwo-Jima I myself have worked with Seals. Trust me if the headline news was not giving out info on this war as much as they are about location of enimies and possible locations of targets we could easily take out leaders. They can watch the news and see where we are looking.

I dont recall much terrorism coming from those other countries you listed lately. But let me look out my window.

Again, on Canada nobody cares about them anyways.
(refering to your comment in bold) ...see now you done it...care to expand on your service veteran?
please generalize so as to maintain OPSEC?

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http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/1...r-bush-on-wed/

It's funny how when Fox News has someone interview George Bush Jr, REPUBLICAN, they are looking ahead and aren't going to ask questions about the past, because "what good does it do to rehash WMD's, does it do you any good?"

Hmm, weird. they seem to take one approach with Clinton, asking about things that happend almost a decade ago, but for Bush, they won't ask about things that happend three years ago, and kicked off an an unneccesary and and expensive (money and lives) war. hmmmm.

*Sniff* Is that the fair I smell, *sniff*, or the balanced?

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