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Old September 25th, 2011, 12:49 PM   #1
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Looks like people are tryin to start a revolution.........and the media is not covering it....


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ABC News’ Olivia Katrandjian reports:

Video posted by the group Occupy Wall St from the eighth day of protests against corporations show police using Tasers and mace to control the crowd, which the group says has only made it more committed to keep up the demonstrations in lower Manhattan for the long haul.

A New York Police Department spokeswoman today confirmed the group’s claim that approximately 80 people were arrested Saturday, mainly for disorderly conduct and obstructing vehicular and pedestrian traffic.

“One person was arrested for assaulting a police officer,” she said.

She added that no arrests have been made today.

The spokeswoman could not confirm whether police officers are using mace, Tasers or netting against protesters.

Among the video clips on the Occupy Wall Street website is one that shows a police officer macing a group of young women penned in by orange netting.

Another video has circulated of a police officer throwing a protester to the ground, though it is not clear why. The video shows the man standing in what seems to be a non-threatening manner before the incident.

Another video shows police officers pushing male and female protesters off the street, and using a large orange net to move the crowd.

Last night, a group of protesters marched from Zuccotti Park to One Police Plaza and then to the 5th Precinct in Chinatown, in search of their friends who had been arrested earlier on Saturday.

“You can still leave without being arrested. Leave this corner,” police told demonstrators. But several were arrested.

Cristina Gonzalez, 25, was among those arrested last night. She spoke to ABC station WABC-TV when she called her sister from the back of a police van.

“We haven’t been charged, we don’t know what happened,” Gonzalez said. “We are at One Police Plaza, there’s 16 of us in the back of a van and we’re sweating. And there’s a man back here in who needs medical attention. He’s bleeding from his head and his handcuffs are too tight.”

The group claimed on its website that several arrested protestors were locked inside a police van Saturday morning, one with a “possibly life-threatening” concussion.

The website reported at least one protestor was arrested for taking photographs. An NYPD spokesman told ABC News Saturday that police were not targeting those with cameras.

The protests began on Sept. 17, when hundreds of protestors gathered at Bowling Green Park in Manhattan, home of the iconic charging bull in New York’s Financial District, as they prepared to “take the bull by the horns,” as a flyer advertising the event said.

“The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%,” said a statement on the website Occupy Wall Street.

According to statements on the website, the movement, an offshoot of online magazine AdBusters, is angered by what it calls the principle of “profit over and above all else,” which it says has dominated not only America’s economic policies, but also the way in which Americans view culture and humanity.

Posts on the website compare the group’s efforts to those used in pro-democracy movements across the Middle East, dubbed the Arab Spring.

“On the 17th of September, we want to see 20,000 people to flood into lower Manhattan, set up beds, kitchens, peaceful barricades and occupy Wall Street for a few months,” one statement says. “Like our brothers and sisters in Egypt, Greece, Spain, and Iceland, we plan to use the revolutionary Arab Spring tactic of mass occupation to restore democracy in America. We also encourage the use of nonviolence to achieve our ends and maximize the safety of all participants.”

As has become the norm of such protests, this movement has been fueled by social media fire, with supporters taking to Twitter under the hash tag #occupywallstreet. The major hacking group Anonymous has also thrown in its support, live streaming the day’s events.
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Old September 26th, 2011, 09:29 PM   #2
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99.9% Have NO fucking idea why they are their or what the hell they are talking about.
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Old September 27th, 2011, 12:12 AM   #3
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So they're a lot like the Tea Party people then?
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Most likely. It couldn't be any dems because all they do is complain about the tea party.
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So they're a lot like the Tea Party people then?
Oh that damn tea party. What is it you think they want thats so bad?

Big difference between these two groups. The wall street morons are fighting against capitalism, it's all bad and evil. They have know idea what they are talking about. Just take from the producers and give to those that don't, because it's the right thing to do. Spread the wealth.

Again....Fucking morons.

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Most likely. It couldn't be any dems because all they do is complain about the tea party.
Funny how a leaderless group of Americans that have no REAL power, can be blamed for everything.

They sure do have the left in this country all knotted up.
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Funny how a leaderless group of Americans that have no REAL power, can be blamed for everything.

They sure do have the left in this country all knotted up.

All they are pushing is fiscal responsibility. Don't spend it if you don't have it. How hard is that to comprehend?
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All they are pushing is fiscal responsibility. Don't spend it if you don't have it. How hard is that to comprehend?
Thats a very racist thing to say!! Thats just code for killing the middle class and hanging blacks.

It will destroy our country!!
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Thats a very racist thing to say!! Thats just code for killing the middle class and hanging blacks.

It will destroy our country!!
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Old September 27th, 2011, 05:15 PM   #11
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Oh that damn tea party. What is it you think they want thats so bad?

Big difference between these two groups. The wall street morons are fighting against capitalism, it's all bad and evil. They have know idea what they are talking about. Just take from the producers and give to those that don't, because it's the right thing to do. Spread the wealth.

Again....Fucking morons.
Those morons protesting on wall street probably think that the disparity of wealth between the richest few percent and the bottom 50% has continuously grown wider over the past couple of decades. They also might think that the pay rates of the top executives have grown over the past few decades while the pay rates of the average American worker has stayed the same or shrank. In short, most believe that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, and the middle class are going the the way of the poor.

They would be correct.

Most of the "Tea Party" people seem to think that taxes, especially for the wealthy, are high right now, when in reality they are at historic lows.

So who knows what they are talking about?
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What sucks is that by the Washington standards, I am rich. I don't see it. I live in a humble 1600 sq ft home, have a mortgage, second mortgage, a motorhome that I am upside down on and not nearly enough money in the bank to retire on. I don't have any form of a pension and it will be tough to retire before I hit 70. With all that, at the end of the day between all different taxes, I paid close to 40% of my income last year.

So, while I am working hard and paying a bundle in taxes, there are those that think I should pay more while more and more people play the system.

I keep hearing people ask "how much should a person say" and all the anti-teapartiers can't give a number but just say the rich are getting richer. I'm here to tell you NO I'M NOT!
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What sucks is that by the Washington standards, I am rich. I don't see it. I live in a humble 1600 sq ft home, have a mortgage, second mortgage, a motorhome that I am upside down on and not nearly enough money in the bank to retire on. I don't have any form of a pension and it will be tough to retire before I hit 70. With all that, at the end of the day between all different taxes, I paid close to 40% of my income last year.

So, while I am working hard and paying a bundle in taxes, there are those that think I should pay more while more and more people play the system.

I keep hearing people ask "how much should a person say" and all the anti-teapartiers can't give a number but just say the rich are getting richer. I'm here to tell you NO I'M NOT!
I'm not sure what the "Washington Standard" is for rich. What I'm talking about is the top 1% ($380,000), or even 0.1% ($1.8 million) in 2008. But even if you're talking top 25% ($67,200), your share of income has probably gone up compared to those who make less than you. So while you may not think that you've gotten richer, I can assure you that many people making less than you have gotten poorer.
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No, I'm not in the top 1%. I don't agree with stupid loopholes but I do believe that most of the people in that category have put far more into their careers, education and risk than those that are at the lower end. The American way has always been "with risk comes reward". So, for a guy who spends 8-12 years in college or mortgages his house taking a risk on a business, OR BOTH, he should reap the rewards of his efforts.

For me, a flat tax is where it should be at.
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Those morons protesting on wall street probably think that the disparity of wealth between the richest few percent and the bottom 50% has continuously grown wider over the past couple of decades. They also might think that the pay rates of the top executives have grown over the past few decades while the pay rates of the average American worker has stayed the same or shrank. In short, most believe that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, and the middle class are going the the way of the poor.

They would be correct.

Most of the "Tea Party" people seem to think that taxes, especially for the wealthy, are high right now, when in reality they are at historic lows.

So who knows what they are talking about?
So why then are they marching against "Wall Street?" Anyone, and I say this shaking my head, should be able to tell that the disparity in income in this country is a direct result of the actions OF the Government, not in spite of the Government. Rich people that get to keep the majority of their money are breaking no laws in doing so. SO what you should be taking issue with is the IRS and the folks writing the tax code. I suppose its easier to march in the street and take issue with the folks following the rules, right? Heaven forbid we hold our elected leaders accountable for their actions because make no mistake.... Our leaders are screwing us. It used to be called "bread and circuses." You are seeing it alive and well in the US.

And even after all that... No one is saying taxes on the rich are "to high." Not a single person I know or have seen is saying that. What they are saying, and I agree with, is the rich already shoulder the majority of the tax burden in the US. Raising taxes on JUST the rich to "even" everything out is a talking point. 47% have a $0.00 or net negative federal income tax liability and to make things fair the taxes on the rich need to be raised?

This mindset has been 70+ years in the making. Want to know what happens when 51% of the country no longer has any income tax liability AND they still get to vote?
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So why then are they marching against "Wall Street?" Anyone, and I say this shaking my head, should be able to tell that the disparity in income in this country is a direct result of the actions OF the Government, not in spite of the Government. Rich people that get to keep the majority of their money are breaking no laws in doing so. SO what you should be taking issue with is the IRS and the folks writing the tax code. I suppose its easier to march in the street and take issue with the folks following the rules, right? Heaven forbid we hold our elected leaders accountable for their actions because make no mistake.... Our leaders are screwing us. It used to be called "bread and circuses." You are seeing it alive and well in the US.

And even after all that... No one is saying taxes on the rich are "to high." Not a single person I know or have seen is saying that. What they are saying, and I agree with, is the rich already shoulder the majority of the tax burden in the US. Raising taxes on JUST the rich to "even" everything out is a talking point. 47% have a $0.00 or net negative federal income tax liability and to make things fair the taxes on the rich need to be raised?

This mindset has been 70+ years in the making. Want to know what happens when 51% of the country no longer has any income tax liability AND they still get to vote?
What does the Government or the IRS have to do with executive compensation? They are letting those high income people keep more of what they make than ever before, but it is "Wall Street" i.e. stock holders and Boards of Directors that are setting these compensation levels.

The rich shoulder a majority of the tax burden largely because the rich receive a majority of the income and hold a majority of the wealth. No, they are not breaking any law in doing so, but they could be pushing this country into class warfare.

We could go back and forth on what is "fair". Is it fair to tax someone at a higher rate just because they have more money? Is it fair to take money from someone struggling to get by while others have more money than they know what to do with?

For most of that 70+ years the income tax rates have been more progressive than they are now. Want to know what happens when 51% of the people no longer feel that the government and economic system is working for them and allowing them to lead a comfortable life?
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fucking hilljacks need to learn their history and understand the social implications of class divisions.
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They are letting those high income people keep more of what they make than ever before
This speaks volumes.

Letting them keep? Really? Who does it belong to?

Until you realize that the fruit of a mans labor belongs only to that man, you will never see the class warfare rhetoric that you support in your words and in your deeds. The propaganda has twisted your mind.
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This speaks volumes.

Letting them keep? Really? Who does it belong to?

Until you realize that the fruit of a mans labor belongs only to that man, you will never see the class warfare rhetoric that you support in your words and in your deeds. The propaganda has twisted your mind.
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