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Old January 20th, 2013, 11:43 PM   #1
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I realized the other day that my dd has started to stray farther and farther from stock and i see that trend continuing.

I started two years ago with this


Its a 01, cummins, 5 speed, base model....no power options, had 130k when i got it. I chose this one for a few reasons.
1. It was cheap
2. It was 99% rust free
3. It was completely stock
4. It was cheap :)

After i got it home it was evident that the truck was in need of maintenance.....i changed all the fluids and did front brakes. Truck also was low on fuel pressure like so many of these trucks are so i installed a complete Air Dog fuel system and a 4" turbo back exhaust to replace the leaky stock stuff and a big ass air filter. I also hated the tiny tires and ugly hub caps so i scored some used 295-75-16's and American racing rims



You can see the lower part of the truck has flakey paint....the truck was originally white and was painted at some point but before they did they chip coated the bottom and did a poor prep job so the paint didn't stick. I cleaned all the paint off then roughed it up good and sprayed it with some industrial spray paint that is suppose to stick to anything....do far so good. The tires were also starting to wear again and i never really liked the rimsso i slapped a leveling kit and some 305-70-17 tera grapplers wrapped around raceline monsters on it

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Old January 20th, 2013, 11:54 PM   #2
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This gets me to a couple weeks ago. I was smelling coolant....turns out the previous owner ignoring maintenance had allowed the coolant to turn and eat at the head gasket. So i bought a genuine cummins gasket set and tore into it.....these motors are sooooo simple...the head gasket is a very simple. While i was in there a fully adjusted the valves and installed some 60hp DAP injectors.



The injectors really woke the truck up.....so much so that the clutch no longer holds lol.

So coming soon is a upgraded clutch and likely a tuner. There are also count less little things i have changed /want to change that will be coming
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Old January 21st, 2013, 12:35 AM   #3
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looks like its comeing along nicely
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Old January 21st, 2013, 06:10 PM   #4
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Got a Valair organic clutch picked out good for 400hp and 900 lb/ft....with the quad adrenaline tuner i am planning and couple other little things i will lean on that but i can't justify the extra money to go dual disc.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 11:13 AM   #5
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Nice Tow Rig !
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 11:18 AM   #6
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Wish mine was a stick

I need a Torque Converter soon
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 12:11 PM   #7
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I have a love/hate relationship with the trans. Dding and towing around Michigan its a pita and there is no upside. Get out of Michigan and into some place with bigger hills and i wouldn't want it any other way. The manual allows you to keep the engine right in its sweet spot and use every bit of its anemic 235hp. I have ridden in my friends 06 and the auto trans is terrible at keeping its self where it needs to be and it tows like crap because of it.

I look forward to summer and heading out with a bit more power in reserve
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 03:03 PM   #8
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With injectors/lift pump and the quad id recommend a better clutch, unless you like to do one every year or two. Those just cant hold high boost tin the upper gears. I have a buddy like you but he still hasn't learned.
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My thing is i can't have it be rough engaging or noisy or anything like that. I drive this thing daily in city traffic and use it as a truck.....i don't want to get into something where i have to lock it in 4 low just to back up my trailer like some of the horror stories i read. I do not race the truck, sled pull or anything like that....the only reason for adding power was parts failure leading to upgrades.

If i need to spend the money for a dual disc i will but i would rather not if i don't really need to
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Honestly, I think you'll be far happier with the upgraded single disk than you would be with a dual. It will drive a whole lot nicer with your setup. Bigger is not always better.

I upgraded 3 of my own different common rail trucks over the years with South Bend 3250's since it came out and every effin time I was displeased with how they shifted (first, reverse mostly) chatter in low rpm, and grabbiness. Each clutch was slightly more revised than the last don't get me wrong, but still were not close enough to stock as far as drivability was concerned. The 3250 is a night and day improvement over the 3600 though.

Valair and South Bend both build quality products, but i like South Bend beacuse they are close-ish and have unmatched customer service. I've driven 3 buddies trucks with different Valair clutch setups and couldn't feel a difference compared to South Bend. If I ever do another Cummins clutch upgrade again, it will be a single disk for sure.

Nice truck by the way!

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Thanks!

I have researched and read info on this more over the last couple days than i care to remember. What i came up with:

I will not be using the quadzilla box. A few days ago they dropped all support for their 24v stuff to "focus on newer, better products" so they are basically useless to me at this point. Instead i will be going with a smarty so3 and a set of gauges. The smarty does not make asmuch power as the quad or an edge comp on the top end but does make very good gains down low....which is exactly what i want / need. I could care less about max power gains, i just want the truck to be more responsive and tow better.

Going with the smarty will also eliminate the chance of smoking the single disc clutch with high rpm boost.
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I used to have a truck identical to this and I ran a south bend con ofe. It was a step down from their most aggressive single disk and it drove fine. I also ran a quadzilla adrenaline the reason they dropped their support is because they went out of business earlier in the month. If you have any other questions I work at a diesel performance shop in kzoo and I'm more than willing to answer questions or if you need parts/work.
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Thanks....this is my first diesel so i am learning as i go. I am not looking to build a smoke belching dyno queen......i just want it to tow better and be a little more enjoyable to drive. I tossed around the idea of just selling it and buying a common rail truck since they are good enough stock to make me happy.....but this one is in decent shape still and is not tied to a big payment so i'm trying this route
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You will like that Smarty... Especially the fuel mileage gained.

Oh, by the way.. Damn you for making me want another 24V!!
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Ordered the Valair clutch and set of isspro ev2 gauges today (boost, pyro, fuel pressure) along with a pillar mount.

Also been looking into steering since i have couple tierods getting some play (stockers at 155k....i think they have had a good run).....what i discovered is this: the 09-12 fourth gen trucks use a much beefier steering setup than the stock stuff my 01 uses....not only tgat but it improves driving characteristics by swapping from a y link to a cross over t link set up....it is a bolt on deal for 00-08 trucks....and best of all its cheaper to upgrade than biy stock parts.

No mods neaded
Better
Cheaper

I'm sold!
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Are you sure the 4th gen steering setup is a bolt on for your 24v? I know it will bolt onto 3rd gens, 03+. I think it only works on the AAM axles. I could be wrong.

Also, food for thought, I read about guys using Ford Super Duty steering parts to upgrade their 24v's. I'd guess its quite an improvement.
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Every thing i see says that the late 00, 01, and 02 will accept it, no mods required....basically if your axle has the flipped ball joints it will work. It will work on the older trucks too but you have to ream the knuckles......suppose to make a world of improvement
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Oh, ok cool. Since you plan on reaming out your knuckles, might check on the Ford Super Duty steering too then, I have read it can be a little more affordable over the long term.

I'm sure you already belong to it, but if not get on Cumminsforum.com. There's a well of knowledge over there for these trucks. If you can dream it, somebody has probably already done it.

Also, there's a good write up on Pirate on converting your front axle to ford knuckles with serviceable/greaseable wheel bearings and lock outs. If you can wade through all of the bullshit, there's some good tech in there. Without reading the whole thing again, I think you can use your knuckles with F250 Dana 50 TTB outers or '92-'97 F350 D60 knuckles outward. D50 parts are obviously easier/cheaper to find.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/dodge...-knuckles.html

On a side note, a good friend of mine put a South Bend single disk in his '06 common rail last week and man is that sucker a nice shifting/driving truck now. Definately better than a dual disk setup.

Keep up the good work. I'll keep following.
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I don't have to ream the knuckles and i can't use ford outers.

The late 00, 01, 02 trucks (mine is a 01) have the ball joints inverted compared to the 94-99 trucks and the ford 60's. The good news is the 4th gen steering is bolt on, no mods required. Bad news is to do the ford outers to eliminate the unit bearings i would have to ditch my entire axle and get one out of a 94-99....which is more work than its worth imo.
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Ah, shit.. I didn't realize there was a difference like your saying after '99. Mine was a '98.

Ill stop talking out of my ass now.

Carry on..
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