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Old August 12th, 2011, 05:34 PM   #61
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WTF, how do you figure? Majority of the elderly folks I know are doing just fine....they get social security, medicare/medicaide (I always confuse the two) and most (I realize not ALL) have pensions. There are certain elderly folks that certainly could use/need one but to make a blanket statement and say they all do....
I certainly don't think Larry King or Hugh Hefner need a bridge card.
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... Well being a student, living on my own it is kind of hard to pay for food bills rent gas AND on top of that pay my tuition every week it can be quite difficult to pay all of that even with a full time job. However I manage without a bridge card.

- They need to be on the lookout for those "quartering" food stamps and for those of you who have never lived in a ghetto that is selling food stamps for a significantly lower value then what they are. For example a crackhead has a bridge card for $100 and they sell it to somebody else for $50 to go buy a rock.

All I'm trying to say is we shouldn't worry about kids in school abusing the system, i mean it's going to happen but most of us pay taxs and will at least one day pay back into the system while there are people who reap the benefits and have not/will not pay a dime in there whole lives (i know quite a few)
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WTF, how do you figure? Majority of the elderly folks I know are doing just fine....they get social security, medicare/medicaide (I always confuse the two) and most (I realize not ALL) have pensions. There are certain elderly folks that certainly could use/need one but to make a blanket statement and say they all do....
plus I don't feel the need to support the elderly who planned poorly for their future when they decided they didn't want to work any more but didn't save enough when they were younger.....
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Old August 16th, 2011, 09:16 AM   #64
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plus I don't feel the need to support the elderly who planned poorly for their future when they decided they didn't want to work any more but didn't save enough when they were younger.....
That's a harsh statement. Many planned for the future but inflation got the best of them. My dad talks about how he was working in skilled trades making $1.50 per hour when minimum wage now is 5 times what he was making. He's now 83 and supporting himself but picture how hard it was to save a substantial amount of money back then. They didn't have tax deferred programs like 401K's or IRA's for them to put their money in.
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Old August 16th, 2011, 09:26 AM   #65
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You guys both make valid points. Planning poorly and getting screwed by inflation aren't exactly the same thing though. There's no real way to accurately predict how much worth your retirement funds will actually be to you 40 years from now. I can sit here and say by age 65 I'll have $4 million saved in my 401k but $4 million today won't be the same as $4 million 40 years from now.
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plus I don't feel the need to support the elderly who planned poorly for their future when they decided they didn't want to work any more but didn't save enough when they were younger.....
Alot of people used there homes as a nest egg. Now they are all screwed.
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That's a harsh statement. Many planned for the future but inflation got the best of them. My dad talks about how he was working in skilled trades making $1.50 per hour when minimum wage now is 5 times what he was making. He's now 83 and supporting himself but picture how hard it was to save a substantial amount of money back then. They didn't have tax deferred programs like 401K's or IRA's for them to put their money in.


I'd venture a guess that more people got screwed by poor planning than inflation. Gas was also what 15 cents back then? He could buy a house for 30k, a car for 3k new, etc.

Inflation affects most everything fairly equally, so his retirement investments should have kept pace with inflation.
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Alot of people used there homes as a nest egg. Now they are all screwed.
that is called poor planning. I can not contribute to my own "nest egg" as much as I would like to because I am supporting someone elses poor choice because of their own poor planning.

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What ever happened to Ramen noodles and Gobels beer? That's what we had to live off from back in the 80's while going to college. It was a major part of the college expierience.
Of course back then, a lot of people were too proud to except food stamps.




..............once a week, I would splurge and buy 12 hamburgs from "Get-um-Gag"
When I was in college I lived off of rice, green beans and whatever was on sale at eastern market. I was underweight all during college but I made it through and never asked anyone for help. I can't believe college kids get bridge cards.. it's insantiy.
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When I was in college I lived off of rice, green beans and whatever was on sale at eastern market. I was underweight all during college but I made it through and never asked anyone for help. I can't believe college kids got bridge cards.. it's insantiy.


I agree though. It wasn't that we never ate good in college, but I ate a ton of hamburgers and hot dogs, wild game, and of course the cheap stuff like ramen noodles, uncle bens, etc.
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I agree though. It wasn't that we never ate good in college, but I ate a ton of hamburgers and hot dogs, wild game, and of course the cheap stuff like ramen noodles, uncle bens, etc.
I ate good when I had a date. I think paying your dues should be part of college. I quoted you because I agreed wit you, except the hamburger part. I was vegan in college.
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I'd venture a guess that more people got screwed by poor planning than inflation. Gas was also what 15 cents back then? He could buy a house for 30k, a car for 3k new, etc.

Inflation affects most everything fairly equally, so his retirement investments should have kept pace with inflation.
I'm not going to spend the time right now to do the math but it would be worth looking at to see what saving 10% back then would have accumulated to now.

Don't forget, these folks are getting hit with $50 and $100 copays on prescriptions and huge medical bills. Also consider that the average lifespan has extended out and although it's great that people are living longer, it wasn't expected at that time. These are simple factors that no one could have predicted.
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Old August 16th, 2011, 10:30 AM   #73
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I'm not going to spend the time right now to do the math but it would be worth looking at to see what saving 10% back then would have accumulated to now.

Don't forget, these folks are getting hit with $50 and $100 copays on prescriptions and huge medical bills. Also consider that the average lifespan has extended out and although it's great that people are living longer, it wasn't expected at that time. These are simple factors that no one could have predicted.

........not to mention, those who got stung by crooked brokers, who took better then 75% of their retirement with bad investments. (my in-laws are in a world of hurt)
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Old August 16th, 2011, 10:36 AM   #74
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Quite a few posts here express my thoughts on the elderly and "food stamps".
More of them are in need than a few of you think.
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Old August 16th, 2011, 10:44 AM   #75
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I'm not going to spend the time right now to do the math but it would be worth looking at to see what saving 10% back then would have accumulated to now.

Don't forget, these folks are getting hit with $50 and $100 copays on prescriptions and huge medical bills. Also consider that the average lifespan has extended out and although it's great that people are living longer, it wasn't expected at that time. These are simple factors that no one could have predicted.
I do not totally disagree with you at all. I hear what you are saying.

My grandfather was a navy guy, worked for the livonia PD, was never a "rich" man with a super high paying job. Grandma drove a school bus. They paid off their first house at a very young age.

Grandpa passed away at the age of 86, grandma is still around and will never hurt for money a day in her life.

They planned properly on a very modest income.

They sent both of their children to college.

They lived thru all of the same hard times that the rest of the elderly who did not plan properly and need bridge cards lived thru.

If you have worked all of your life and have nothing to show for it and need a bridge card to survive you planned poorly.
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Old August 16th, 2011, 03:32 PM   #76
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I have very little sympathy for the elderly poor. I am 26. I make a decent wage, live well beneath my means, i have a growing 401k and have paid my student loans 1/3 of the way off in 3 years. I want a new camaro sooo bad, i know i can afford it, but i am going to hold off and find a nice used one. I would rather make hay while the sun is shining than have to worry about income when i am old.

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Old August 16th, 2011, 08:04 PM   #77
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Seems to me like kickstand is a spoiled, self centered, asshole who thinks that everyone can make the best decisions in the world. Just like he did
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Im not saying its right, but has anyone considered the food card as a government subsidy.???? We bitch that the government bailed out the big banks, when they could have bailed out homeowners and the banks. By paying off the loans, both the homeowner and bank would have been in the clear. Now lets look at the food card. The money goes to the store that provides food, the food comes from farms. The farm supports its local economy as well as employee people. So instead of "giving" money directly to the supermarkets, the money is filtered thru the people, helping both parties out.

Just throwing it out there :)
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Im not saying its right, but has anyone considered the food card as a government subsidy.???? We bitch that the government bailed out the big banks, when they could have bailed out homeowners and the banks. By paying off the loans, both the homeowner and bank would have been in the clear. Now lets look at the food card. The money goes to the store that provides food, the food comes from farms. The farm supports its local economy as well as employee people. So instead of "giving" money directly to the supermarkets, the money is filtered thru the people, helping both parties out.

Just throwing it out there :)
That is a great point, although some of the more "uppity" folks on this site will tell you how wrong and stupid it is.
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