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Old July 29th, 2011, 01:46 AM   #141
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My next truck will probably be a Ford. Never really paid attention to the Ecoboost motor though. Of course my next truck probably won't be new either. Either that or a 12V Cummins.
Right now my GMC is decent, pisses gas and apparently will forever sit raked because the geniuses at GM decided to make the truck coil sprung front end for that specific model and year. Lowering the rear is not an option.
Gas Dodges are pretty nice too, kinda hate the whole 16 spark plug thing though. Had a guy come into my work and bought 32 spark plugs, I think all double platinum, for two vehicles. I believe a '10 Ram 1500 Hemi and an SRT-8 Grand Cherokee.
Ecoboost might not be bad afterall but not exactly my style. Maybe for a specialty truck offroad, but I'd rather have a fullsize with a gas/diesel V8 or Cummins in it for a daily driver.

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Old July 29th, 2011, 07:32 AM   #142
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Ecoboost might not be bad afterall but not exactly my style. Maybe for a specialty truck offroad, but I'd rather have a fullsize with a gas/diesel V8 or Cummins in it for a daily driver.
I'd be curious to see your response if you drove one. Turbo engines are fun as hell for a daily driver. Way more torque down low than the available V8. (Remember that the 6.2 is a very limited engine, only available up in the platinum and HD trucks with 3.31 gears).

Compared to say a typical chevy 5.3, its probably got 100-150 more ft-lbs at 2500 rpm...
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Old July 29th, 2011, 07:47 AM   #143
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The next model cummins will have a urea tank also......and a HO 400hp cummins
I would rather have less hp and mpg without the added trouble of having to find piss to add to my truck as well as diesel.
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Old July 29th, 2011, 09:49 AM   #144
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I'd be curious to see your response if you drove one. Turbo engines are fun as hell for a daily driver. Way more torque down low than the available V8. (Remember that the 6.2 is a very limited engine, only available up in the platinum and HD trucks with 3.31 gears).

Compared to say a typical chevy 5.3, its probably got 100-150 more ft-lbs at 2500 rpm...
Yeah that is true. It is just a different approach, I'm used to the traditional style. With full size trucks, a bigger engine is generally better (with exception of diesels). Right now I have a 6.0L in my truck and it moves pretty good.
Is the towing capacity the same for the Ecoboost motors as the V8s? In theory it should be with the amount of torque the motor has, but I'm wondering how strong those turbos are in the long run. Especially for something like towing a trailer through steep hills.
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Old July 29th, 2011, 09:51 AM   #145
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whatch the videos on youtube
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Old July 29th, 2011, 09:53 AM   #146
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Yeah that is true. It is just a different approach, I'm used to the traditional style. With full size trucks, a bigger engine is generally better (with exception of diesels). Right now I have a 6.0L in my truck and it moves pretty good.
Is the towing capacity the same for the Ecoboost motors as the V8s? In theory it should be with the amount of torque the motor has, but I'm wondering how strong those turbos are in the long run. Especially for something like towing a trailer through steep hills.
It's rated the same or close the the 5.0L and 6.2L. Watch those torture test on Fords website...I think the turbos are up to the challenge of towing.
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they had the truck on a nascar track averaging 84 miles an hour with its max towing capacity for 24 hours straight only stopping for gas and tires and it did great
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Old July 29th, 2011, 10:12 AM   #148
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I've seen pics and stuff of the tests, it is impressive. I'm just wondering the same thing CC is wondering, over a period of miles how does the engine and turbos/controls for the turbos hold up.
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only the test of time will tell that. the test never show what a truck is like after 150,000 miles in michigan
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Old July 29th, 2011, 10:39 AM   #150
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Yeah that is true. It is just a different approach, I'm used to the traditional style. With full size trucks, a bigger engine is generally better (with exception of diesels). Right now I have a 6.0L in my truck and it moves pretty good.
Is the towing capacity the same for the Ecoboost motors as the V8s? In theory it should be with the amount of torque the motor has, but I'm wondering how strong those turbos are in the long run. Especially for something like towing a trailer through steep hills.
Um, the turbo is the top end work engine.

The 6.2 is only available in pretty-boy trucks not setup for towing. Not in XL, XLT, FR4, etc. Only platinums and ther other special models. Not with low gears or heavy load/tow packages.

The 5.0 replaces the 4.6 as the average truck buyer engine, not for heavy towing.

The Ecoboost easily out-torques both engines in towing situations, and is positioned as the top dog/work enigne in almost all of the trim levels. Its a flat toruqe curve similar to a diesel.
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Old July 29th, 2011, 10:41 AM   #151
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only the test of time will tell that. the test never show what a truck is like after 150,000 miles in michigan
It'd take me 15 years to put that many miles on one. I prefer to replace vehicles every 3-6 years.

Spending money + latest technology makes me happy.
Vehicles with 100k miles make me sad.

But thats typical of New car buyers. Which I think most people around here are not.
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Old July 29th, 2011, 10:47 AM   #152
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It's rated the same or close the the 5.0L and 6.2L. Watch those torture test on Fords website...I think the turbos are up to the challenge of towing.
Looking at a 4WD Supercrew with the short bed, which is a very typical combo, towing capacities:

5.0: 9100 max
6.2: 11100 max
3.5TT: 11300 max

The 6.2 is only available in The platinum, lariat, lariat limited, Harley davidson, and Raptor models.
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Old July 29th, 2011, 11:13 AM   #153
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Looking at a 4WD Supercrew with the short bed, which is a very typical combo, towing capacities:

5.0: 9100 max
6.2: 11100 max
3.5TT: 11300 max

The 6.2 is only available in The platinum, lariat, lariat limited, Harley davidson, and Raptor models.
and F250/350 models

I'm all for the ecoboost engine and would love to tow my camper with one to see how it does. I imagine it would blow away my 7.4L.
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you would think they would offer the 6.2L in a Fx4 or XLT package.....wonder if that will come later?
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you would think they would offer the 6.2L in a Fx4 or XLT package.....wonder if that will come later?
Dunno, I doubt it though. I think the 6.2 could end up going away after a couple years if the turbo holds up. I think its only in the high dollar trucks, as their demographic is old people, like whiterhino, who don't like change.

I really thought about getting the EB truck, but my 5.4 does well enough and the wife wants a 2012 explorer. (and I would rather put the money into a bigger pole barn)
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Old July 29th, 2011, 12:01 PM   #156
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It seems like the 6.2 was developed more for the 3/4-1ton trucks than the 1/2 ton. I'd be curious to see if they take the ecoboost technology (whether the 3.5 v6 or something else) and put it into the 3/4-1 tons.....I'd be curious to know if there's really even a market for something like 3.5EB in a 3/4-1ton
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Old July 29th, 2011, 12:26 PM   #157
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Dunno, I doubt it though. I think the 6.2 could end up going away after a couple years if the turbo holds up. I think its only in the high dollar trucks, as their demographic is old people, like whiterhino, who don't like change.

I really thought about getting the EB truck, but my 5.4 does well enough and the wife wants a 2012 explorer. (and I would rather put the money into a bigger pole barn)
dont blame you on the pole barn.....and I love the new Explorers, really nice suv.
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Old July 29th, 2011, 12:40 PM   #158
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Yeah that is true. It is just a different approach, I'm used to the traditional style. With full size trucks, a bigger engine is generally better (with exception of diesels). Right now I have a 6.0L in my truck and it moves pretty good.
Is the towing capacity the same for the Ecoboost motors as the V8s? In theory it should be with the amount of torque the motor has, but I'm wondering how strong those turbos are in the long run. Especially for something like towing a trailer through steep hills.
Now do you have an LS series 6.0l, or an old carb'd SBC 6.0l?

Huge difference between the two...
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I'm with Jesus on this.

Technology improves efficiency in so many ways, there is no arguable point to make against the ecoboost, other than "well what if...., or well blah blah it won't last 300K miles..." These arguments are stupid, and purely speculative.

How many people on here have vehicles that have made it incredible amounts of mileage with only tune-ups, and oil changes? I'm going to bet very, very few.
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Now do you have an LS series 6.0l, or an old carb'd SBC 6.0l?

Huge difference between the two...
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