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Old July 17th, 2011, 10:17 PM   #1
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So, I'm thinking , GM needs to sell cars. Ok, why doesnt some other company like that other then chrysler make a jeep knock off? The wrangler new is fawkin expensive! (So expensive you cringe at the thought of offroading it) GM could build a topless small 4x4, good engine, good axles, boxie like the wrangler, even do the optional 2 door and 4 door deal. Then leave all the options to the end buyer to buy from dealer and install themselves, and knock 10 grand or more off the sticker price compaired to the wrangler. SO, you want extra stereo speakers, dealer supplies kit, you install. Lighting options, you install. Lockable tool boxes, dealer supplies, you install. ect ect. I think they'd sell a whole helluva lot of them. Thoughts?
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Old July 17th, 2011, 10:20 PM   #2
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Technology advances and so does the price of vehicles. A JK is no where near a TJ.
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Old July 17th, 2011, 10:23 PM   #4
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Yes, but a jk is no more usefull then a tj.
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Yes, but a jk is no more usefull then a tj.
Keyword is technology, they cost more to build, therefore they cost more to buy.
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Cost more to build could be defreyed by a simple design, could it not?
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GM could build a topless small 4x4, good engine, good axles, boxie like the wrangler, even do the optional 2 door and 4 door deal. Then leave all the options to the end buyer to buy from dealer and install themselves, and knock 10 grand or more off the sticker price Thoughts?
In your opinion, what would be a "good engine and axle" in a box type full frame wrangler charisma that meets safety/emission standards that sells for 10k less
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In your opinion, what would be a "good engine and axle" in a box type full frame wrangler charisma that meets safety/emission standards that sells for 10k less
If they would have kept Hummer, they could have just made a convertible H3, right? Even better, a convertible H3T, maybe both 4 and a 2-door. It would be sort of like a Kaiser M715 knockoff maybe?
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No, you gotta have solid axles. AAM, since they have a lot of the axle business from the domestics right now could spit out some kinda medium/light axles. As for engine, i'm not the least bit familiar with what 6cyl's gm makes these days, but put only 1 engine in it. No v8 option cause that would prob put insurence co's on edge, and be a parts breaking warrenty nightmare. As for wrangler charisma.... make no bones whatsoever about the fact that "hey, this is a copy, its cheaper and it works great and is full of profit for the manufacturer, and fun for the enthusiast". The Kaiser idea would be cool. Pull design ques from that i guess.
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The jeep wrangler is a niche vehicle/market. Everyone thinks they are "cool" or they have "always wanted to own one". But let's be real almost all of the people who are not already jeep people would not justify a vehicle that gets sub 20mpg on the freeway and has no modern amenities or power features (why I will never dd another tj). The hypothetical vehicle vehicle you describe where everything is added aftermarket and you have to DIY does not appeal to most people about to throw down $20k plus it would be a warranty nightmare if every Joe blow with a "Chevy jeep" had to wire in there radio, lights, and whatever.

Historically speaking Chevy did kind of try this... k5 blazer (removable top, 4x4 etc.). Toyota fj40, broncos, land rover defender, didn't make it either and I doubt its because the car makers were getting rich as fukc on consumer demands that were already pacified.
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GM has a good relationship with Suzuki, why not beef up the Samurai platform, badge it GM, put some balls under the hood, and Dana axles?
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Simple answer. Return on investment. The sales volumes on a vehicle like this would not pay for the development. Jeep has a pretty good lock on the market and there isn't enough volume to support 2 different manufacturers. Same reason Chrysler and Ford don't compete with the Corvette. Ford brought the T-bird back out. Sales didn't support it. Chrysler had the Viper. Sales didn't support it.
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Cost more to build could be defreyed by a simple design, could it not?
No.

You're forgetting about all of the R&D, tooling costs, supplier procurement, federal regulations, marketing, etc. The ROI isn't there.
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Sammy/Trackers won't meet current crash standards.



The reason you can't build a simple solid axle 4x4 for cheap is gov't crash and rollover standards, plain and simple.
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I wheel a 93 YJ. I want the new JK. They are sweet!

However I came to terms with myself...........

If I modify a bare bones stock JK with what I have in my YJ I would end up with a jeep payment.

My YJ isn't new, but it can go anywhere a comparable JK can.
So with that in mind I wouldn't buy a cheaper knock off jeep.
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I wheel a 93 YJ. I want the new JK. They are sweet!

However I came to terms with myself...........

If I modify a bare bones stock JK with what I have in my YJ I would end up with a jeep payment.

My YJ isn't new, but it can go anywhere a comparable JK can.
So with that in mind I wouldn't buy a cheaper knock off jeep.
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The jeep wrangler is a niche vehicle/market. Everyone thinks they are "cool" or they have "always wanted to own one". But let's be real almost all of the people who are not already jeep people would not justify a vehicle that gets sub 20mpg on the freeway and has no modern amenities or power features (why I will never dd another tj). The hypothetical vehicle vehicle you describe where everything is added aftermarket and you have to DIY does not appeal to most people about to throw down $20k plus it would be a warranty nightmare if every Joe blow with a "Chevy jeep" had to wire in there radio, lights, and whatever.

Historically speaking Chevy did kind of try this... k5 blazer (removable top, 4x4 etc.). Toyota fj40, broncos, land rover defender, didn't make it either and I doubt its because the car makers were getting rich as fukc on consumer demands that were already pacified.
After the first sentence your post kinda goes to fukc .

With stock tires my 07 Unlimited was getting a little over 20mph running on the freeway. I have power windows, power locks, and keyless entry. Since day 1 they came with options for an indash dvd/nav as well. Now you can even get heated leather seats.
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